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Conrad

Number of posts: 5123 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-22
 | Subject: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:09 pm | |
| From Glenn Greenwald's blog http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/14/resentment/index.html| Quote: | Several months ago, Matt Taibbi perfectly described the bizarre contradiction driving these protests:
After all, the reason the winger crowd can’t find a way to be coherently angry right now is because this country has no healthy avenues for genuine populist outrage. It never has. The setup always goes the other way: when the excesses of business interests and their political proteges in Washington leave the regular guy broke and screwed, the response is always for the lower and middle classes to split down the middle and find reasons to get pissed off not at their greedy bosses but at each other. That’s why even people like [Glenn] Beck’s audience, who I’d wager are mostly lower-income people, can’t imagine themselves protesting against the Wall Street barons who in actuality are the ones who fucked them over. . . .
Actual rich people can’t ever be the target. It’s a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master’s carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish . . . can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff.
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 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:14 pm | |
| Shouldn't I be more mad at Obama for bailing out AIG? Why would I care if AIG went belly up? How would that have affected me (negatively)? |
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NonEntity

Number of posts: 2598 Registration date: 2007-11-08
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:19 pm | |
| "When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. " Love it! - NonE |
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QuestEon

Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:40 pm | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | "When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. "
Love it!
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Yeah. That was the line of the day. |
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QuestEon

Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:46 pm | |
| | ReIgNoFrAdNeSs wrote: | | Shouldn't I be more mad at Obama for bailing out AIG? Why would I care if AIG went belly up? How would that have affected me (negatively)? |
As the resident dumb guy, I have conflicted feelings on the whole affair. Should I be mad at the robber barons who sold and packaged (and profited from) bad mortgages, or the government that has been applying pressure on them for years to make mortgages available to people who can't repay them? How "robber" would the robber barons have been if the government hadn't put them in that position? And then, as you say, why should I care if AIG goes belly up? Isn't a world where stupid businesses have to die a good thing? |
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Alex

Number of posts: 785 Age: 39 Location: Baltimore, MD, USA Registration date: 2007-12-25
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:22 pm | |
| An interesting take on things, but then again it goes on to whinge about the whingers, just what it is complaining about. That isn't very impressive although it is fun to feel all frothy-at-the-mouth with anger. My favorite line: "You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit." Matt Taibbi's article that appeared in Wired a couple months ago ( from Rolling Stone: here ) was great. He really stuck a knife into Goldman Sachs and the Fed. Nothing came of it of course, other than the usual blank stares mastered by politicians the world over that they give while wishing the criticism away (which it invariably does). Argh, gotta go. _________________ If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.
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Dylboz

Number of posts: 2014 Registration date: 2007-09-20
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:51 pm | |
| As usual, the comments destroys my opinion of other human beings. The Tiabbi rant was obnoxious enough, but holy shit, those people are terrible. That libertarian response was totally wasted on them. They went after the guy's spelling, for Christ's sake! _________________ Please check out my blog! Dylboznia |
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Alex

Number of posts: 785 Age: 39 Location: Baltimore, MD, USA Registration date: 2007-12-25
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:33 pm | |
| You mean the comments to the Salon article? _________________ If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.
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NonEntity

Number of posts: 2598 Registration date: 2007-11-08
 | Subject: Re: Why the lower and middle class can't be coherently angry Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:25 pm | |
| | Dylboz wrote: | | As usual, the comments destroys my opinion of other human beings. The Tiabbi rant was obnoxious enough, but holy shit, those people are terrible. That libertarian response was totally wasted on them. They went after the guy's spelling, for Christ's sake! | (emphasis MINE!)
| Quote: | | They went after the guy's spelling, for Christ's sake! |
The NERVE!!! 
- NonE |
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