http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/-t1.htm How to live and why... From white lies to illusions, from being rude to being evil, from the Ten Commandments to relativism, from correct rules to the right spirit, and so on... Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:58:38 GMT 10 http://illiweb.com/itest/logo/default/default4.gif http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/-t1.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/synopsis-t1978.htm Vana Alas all pipers are paid. This is a minority report, one you will not often find presented anywhere as it has been ruthlessly suppressed; one of the few exceptions is perhaps, in a veiled way, Peter Singer's Animal Liberation. This is my interpretation of the position of minor attracted adults and the society which oppresses them. Near Age Almost anyone will admit that the age of consent laws are a corrupt line in the sand. There is no difference between a twenty-one-year-old, ... Ethics & Morality Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:58:38 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/synopsis-t1978.htm#28089 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/synopsis-t1978.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-sarcasm-neccessarily-passive-aggressive-t674.htm Phlogiston I don't see sarcasm as passive aggressive by nature. I see my sarcasm as the logical equal to saying not x. In logic then sarcasm is appropriate. It is often the only way to prove something. In language the point is to both communicate well and efficiently. I mean I could er well, perhaps I could tell you an example.... (not x in one line) Quicker than establishing x. Hence appropriate provided the audience doesn't need the elaboration of the full sylogism. Any thoughts on this or when ... Ethics & Morality Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:25:21 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-sarcasm-neccessarily-passive-aggressive-t674.htm#8520 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-sarcasm-neccessarily-passive-aggressive-t674.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/a-message-for-today-from-the-grave-t1935.htm CartesianTheist ]]> Ethics & Morality Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:39:21 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/a-message-for-today-from-the-grave-t1935.htm#27641 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/a-message-for-today-from-the-grave-t1935.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/agodism-leads-to-anarchy-murder-mayhem-t1919.htm eye2i2 Theory 1: agodism* leads to anarchy = murder/mayhem? Theory 2: without "God" people can't know how they "should behave"? An excerpt: FYC... Quote:There is a common belief that if some trait or behavior is wired into the brain, it is unchangeable, inevitable. (The same goes for anything genetically based, but we'll leave that myth to another day.) Which makes the latest data on religiosity even more fascinating. In brief, the number of American non-believers ... Ethics & Morality Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:19:58 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/agodism-leads-to-anarchy-murder-mayhem-t1919.htm#27456 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/agodism-leads-to-anarchy-murder-mayhem-t1919.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/what-would-you-do-if-you-found-gyges-ring-t1903.htm CartesianTheist "Gyges... found that every time he turned [the ring] inward he became invisible, and when he turned it outwards he became visible. Having made this discovery he managed to get himself included in the party that was to report to the king, and when he arrived he seduced the queen, and with her help attacked and murdered the king and seized the throne. Imagine now that two such rings existed and the just man put on one, the unjust the other. There is no one, it would commonly be supposed, ... Ethics & Morality Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:48:51 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/what-would-you-do-if-you-found-gyges-ring-t1903.htm#27173 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/what-would-you-do-if-you-found-gyges-ring-t1903.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/more-on-morality-t1873.htm NonEntity (hat tip to Eye2i2 for this) HERE is an article on morality from a different perspective. I found it interesting and perhaps some of you will as well. NYTimes article wrote:In a series of recent articles and a book, “The Happiness Hypothesis,” Jonathan Haidt, a moral psychologist at the University of Virginia, has been constructing a broad evolutionary view of morality that traces its connections both to religion and to politics. Dr. Haidt (pronounced height) began ... Ethics & Morality Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:38:43 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/more-on-morality-t1873.htm#26624 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/more-on-morality-t1873.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-it-theft-or-fraud-or-what-t1836.htm NonEntity I just happened to come across a few "quotes" by "NonEntity" supporting related to Stefan. I did not actually SAY these things, but then, I'm a NonEntity, so maybe I couldn't have said them even if I wanted to. It's a weird set of circumstances for sure. Y'all got any thoughts on this theft/fraud/deception/whatever? Check out this T-shirt with a "quote" attributed to me. - NonE addendum: correction made. Also, although I don't remember saying ... Ethics & Morality Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:34:38 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-it-theft-or-fraud-or-what-t1836.htm#26128 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-it-theft-or-fraud-or-what-t1836.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/the-fourth-commandment-t1830.htm matt I saw the word "Commandments" mentioned in the text of this Subject Forum on Ethics and Morality and wanted to open up for discussion on the 10 Commandments, and in particular the Fourth Commandment, You Shall Love and Honour (Honor) Your Parents (paraphrased). Whether you subscribe to this or not is ok, but I am keen to discuss this and more importantly, it's affect on children, teenagers and later as adults. In the question of "morality" how does this (4th Comm) shape young ... Ethics & Morality Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:47:07 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/the-fourth-commandment-t1830.htm#26092 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/the-fourth-commandment-t1830.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/11000-people-die-because-politicians-want-to-be-cute-t1103.htm Conrad almost a week old, but I thought this post by William Anderson was very telling: Quote:At 11 a.m. on the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918, 90 years ago today, the fighting on the Western Front stopped. What most people do not know is that because the generals wanted the 11-11-11 slot, there was another 11 on 11-11-1918: thousands of men, including my great uncle, Ralph Cowell, fell that day. Ralph was one of 320 Americans to lose his life before 11 a.m. There needed to be no fighting ... Ethics & Morality Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:54:41 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/11000-people-die-because-politicians-want-to-be-cute-t1103.htm#16811 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/11000-people-die-because-politicians-want-to-be-cute-t1103.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/a-glimpse-into-the-preposterous-world-of-danny-and-vichy-t1702.htm Danny Shahar So here's the first shot at posting Vichy and Danny conversations for y'all's consumption. If this is worthwhile and interesting, I can post more of them; it's not really a big deal. Apologies in advance for the weird formatting (it's gChat, after all). Anyway, here goes nothing: ------------------ Vichy: This, by the way, is why I don't get invited to company parties. me: i would invite you Vichy: Yeah, but that's because you're skating the fringe with one hand on a ... Ethics & Morality Thu, 07 May 2009 16:59:07 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/a-glimpse-into-the-preposterous-world-of-danny-and-vichy-t1702.htm#24805 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/a-glimpse-into-the-preposterous-world-of-danny-and-vichy-t1702.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/ken-macleod-on-se-parker-morality-and-politics-t1624.htm vichy See Bottom for Links Ken MacLeod, the speculative fiction author of The Stone Canal, wrote this interesting little piece in Non-Serviam #18 (an egoist periodical) about Sidney Parker, which I de-typofied. I'll put links to the things he makes reference to, which are probably of more interest to you folks than the article itself. If you read the articles/authors listed here, you'll have a pretty good idea of what 'hardcore' or 'Stirnerian' egoism tends to be like. Quote:What Sid did Ken ... Ethics & Morality Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:29:56 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/ken-macleod-on-se-parker-morality-and-politics-t1624.htm#23884 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/ken-macleod-on-se-parker-morality-and-politics-t1624.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/natural-rights-fundamentalism-at-misesorg-t1286.htm RJMII Quote:http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/5391/72522.aspx#72522 This sort of assertion of facts about undefined terms is what makes arguing with Natural Rights fanatics as obnoxious as arguing with Christian fundamentalists. How can a person possibly assert that they've proven anything while refusing to define their terms or demonstrate logical relationships? All my argument rests upon are the reality of the universe and methodological individualism, his argument naturally carries the weight ... Ethics & Morality Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:18:04 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/natural-rights-fundamentalism-at-misesorg-t1286.htm#19815 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/natural-rights-fundamentalism-at-misesorg-t1286.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-racism-immoral-t278.htm Dylboz David J. Heinrich wrote:Re racism and morality, I think it is an empirical question: Are there significant racial differences in emotion, intelligence, body? I think there is evidence that yes, there are. So the question then becomes what do you mean by racism? Merely the belief that there are race-differences? Discrimination? But if you believe there are significant race-differences, discrimination to a certain extent naturally follows. Being mean to someone? But that isn't necessary just because ... Ethics & Morality Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:22:30 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-racism-immoral-t278.htm#2610 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/is-racism-immoral-t278.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/anyone-familiar-with-max-stirner-t871.htm vichy I was just wondering if anyone on the board has read Max Stirner or identifies with amoral egoism. It's one of my favourite sources, and I find it really interesting to talk to other people who actually adopt a position like Stirner's. Ethics & Morality Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:11:46 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/anyone-familiar-with-max-stirner-t871.htm#11701 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/anyone-familiar-with-max-stirner-t871.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/does-the-free-market-corrode-moral-character-t1051.htm NonEntity I just got this link in my email inbox. It's from an investment oriented sight, naturally. Who the hell else could seriously ask such a question? Jesus! And they actually have a whole bunch of people who took the time to answer them. I'd be embarassed to even dignify them with a response. Jesus! (or did I say that already?) One reader's comment: Quote:This series creates nothing and produces nothing. It is created by people who have too much money and don't know what to ... Ethics & Morality Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:20:13 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/does-the-free-market-corrode-moral-character-t1051.htm#15717 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/does-the-free-market-corrode-moral-character-t1051.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/appeal-to-authority-t833.htm Phlogiston I just finished reading King Leopold's Ghost which is a great book. King Leopold became sole owner of the Congo (the individual and not the king of Brussels). Under his owneship the Congo was horrible for all the inhabitants. Some 10 million people killed under forced labor systems. It occured to me even though he bought his land contracts from the locals in distateful ways he had property rights to the congo. This encouraged him to enslave people. It seems to me that whenever people ... Ethics & Morality Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:07:36 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/appeal-to-authority-t833.htm#11062 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/appeal-to-authority-t833.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/bias-revealed-during-sporting-events-t913.htm SteveL Most people think they are fair-minded and unbiased--including me. (Well, that is a complicated matter: I am now aware, in retrospect, that when I was a anti-Soviet/pro-West during the Cold War, I turned a blind eye to various U.S. dirty tricks.) I think this is necessarily true, for, to paraphrase Plato, we do what we think is good--by definition, perhaps--and to admit bias is to know that one is deviating from the good. Whenever I watch a sporting event (NHL, MLB, etc.), it's always the ... Ethics & Morality Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:28:29 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/bias-revealed-during-sporting-events-t913.htm#12596 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/bias-revealed-during-sporting-events-t913.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/isn-t-this-the-existential-fallacy-t811.htm Phlogiston http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/2/129585/ShowThread.aspx The above statement on not making value judgments has me baffled because it seems "in that very statement a value judgment is being made". That value judgment "being that there are no value judgments". http://www.paradoxes.co.uk/ Proof that there exists a unicorn I wish to prove to you that there exists a unicorn. To do this it obviously suffices to prove the (possibly) stronger statement that there exists an existing ... Ethics & Morality Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:29:14 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/isn-t-this-the-existential-fallacy-t811.htm#10755 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/isn-t-this-the-existential-fallacy-t811.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/person-t786.htm mike barskey A long time ago on the Free Talk Live forums, I was in a discussion about the use of the word "person" and what it should (or shouldn't) refer to. Just the other day I listened to an episode of Philosophy Bites where Peter Singer discussed animal rights and redefined the word "person" to suit his purposes (I disagree with his "arguments" for animals having rights - when he bothered to actually supply arguments to back his opinions they were utilitarian and not logical). When humans create ... Ethics & Morality Sat, 31 May 2008 15:39:16 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/person-t786.htm#10367 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/person-t786.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/stir-up-the-pot-with-obligation-t775.htm Phlogiston It seems that our last moral debate is ending. The one with lizzard is on hold. So why not post a new one? I hope I don't waste anyones time and that is why I titled this stirring up the pot. If your pot should remain unstirred stop wasting your time now. We pretty much talk about no positive obligations here. A general concensus if you will. In light of the immunization and the voluntary discussions I started thinking more about it instead of dismissing it right out. So I wanted to discus ... Ethics & Morality Tue, 27 May 2008 01:27:59 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/stir-up-the-pot-with-obligation-t775.htm#10191 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/stir-up-the-pot-with-obligation-t775.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/right-discipline-vs-right-spirit-t17.htm Conrad Oh, and a more tentative and at this point much more uncertain and dubious insight concerns the nature and status of morality. Morality (to be distinguished from the question what actions should be punishable by force, like the non-aggression principle is about) usually comes in the form of rules (10 Commandments; Kantīs categorical imperative; the 'stop-desiring idea (but what is desire and what is simply need?), etc.) So if you want to be a morally correct person then 'all' you ... Ethics & Morality Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:42:09 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/right-discipline-vs-right-spirit-t17.htm#17 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/right-discipline-vs-right-spirit-t17.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-iran-t715.htm Conrad new photos of the effects of the atomic bombs on Japan the comments in a way are even more disgusting and don't forget this video Ethics & Morality Tue, 06 May 2008 11:52:48 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-iran-t715.htm#9228 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-iran-t715.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/two-wolves-t560.htm ExyPhylo One evening an old Cherokee man told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all. One is Evil.... It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other is Good.... It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth and compassion." The grandson thought ... Ethics & Morality Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:31:14 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/two-wolves-t560.htm#6968 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/two-wolves-t560.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/steven-pinker-on-the-moral-instinct-t522.htm Alex Link to the article. Its longish, but I think enjoyable, and delves gently into evolution+altruism, game theory, and what psychologists are doing in the realm of morality. I won't summarize the article, but rather put put some quotes out there that I either take issue with or think are useful (thanks to Google Notebook for keepin' my quotes). Part of the intro might sound a little familiar... Pinker-intro wrote:So dissecting moral intuitions is no small matter. If morality is a mere ... Ethics & Morality Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:53:35 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/steven-pinker-on-the-moral-instinct-t522.htm#6312 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/steven-pinker-on-the-moral-instinct-t522.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/euthenasia-t141.htm Dylboz My brother is going to die of starvation and/or dehydration. It is a cruel fate, devoid of dignity. Why can't we, his family members, say goodbye, make our peace and then call in the medical professionals to administer a fatal dose of narcotics or sedatives? Why must we wait and watch as his body fights against the effects of starvation and lack of fluids? It is an awful, horrid fate, and a sad state of affairs in a so-called civilized nation. Are religious people so disgusting, so evil, so fucking ... Ethics & Morality Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:31:15 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/euthenasia-t141.htm#810 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/euthenasia-t141.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/beyond-forgiveness-and-condemnation-t78.htm Conrad this insight is still very uncertain. It concerns the ideas of on the one hand 'forgiveness' (like Jesus claimed to be big at) and the like and on the other 'judgement', 'blame' (what Stef in way is big at) and so on. The idea is that both of these sides are wrong in some sense and that there is an alternative. Both of these extremes center around the idea of 'responsibility' in the sense that they both acknowledge its existence but have different practical/moral perspectives on it: the former ... Ethics & Morality Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:33:31 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/beyond-forgiveness-and-condemnation-t78.htm#252 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/beyond-forgiveness-and-condemnation-t78.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/gonna-make-a-vid-on-morality-questions-plz-t433.htm Nielsio As subject. Looking for tough/unresolved questions surrounding morality. Ethics & Morality Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:41:26 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/gonna-make-a-vid-on-morality-questions-plz-t433.htm#4811 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/gonna-make-a-vid-on-morality-questions-plz-t433.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/official-altruism-thread-t335.htm Anonymous Fill this thread with websites to causes that you'd like to spread the word about be it Darfur ,slavery, starvation, or anything else just POST IT. People are awesome, let's help them. http://www.thehungersite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=1 http://iabolish.org/ http://kiva.org/ (thanks Moe) http://www.childrensmemorial.org/ Ethics & Morality Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:54:02 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/official-altruism-thread-t335.htm#3375 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/official-altruism-thread-t335.htm http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/upb-and-subjectivity-t132.htm Dylboz Isn't UPB an attempt to convert common subjective preferences, regardless of their foundational underpinnings, into objective standards without a framework of objective and universal principle? Is preference a measure of utility? Ethics & Morality Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:13:12 GMT http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/upb-and-subjectivity-t132.htm#731 http://liberatingminds.forumotion.com/ethics-morality-f8/upb-and-subjectivity-t132.htm