Yes, you have a point, Exy. The name of the thread included the word pedophilia even though that was not really what I was talking about in my somewhat tangential post. So I guess maybe I was out of line in making that assumption. I was in a different context than you were.

- NonE

BAC,

I've been giving some consideration to my emotional involvement in this conversation. I recognize that emotions don't make for reasonable discussion, so I am wondering what is going on here, just as you are.

One of the main triggers was, as I keep returning to, Exy's comment on the penis and your reiteration. The reason I find this troubling is that it appears to me that the implication is that I am approving of sexual abuse. That is why I use the words like "hateful." My entire point is that if something is voluntary then there should be no issue. Exy seemed to infer from that that I was saying it is okay to force sex upon a young child, in the process damaging her or him both physically and mentally.

I do not understand how someone could honestly derive that idea from my point of "voluntary interaction." Can you? How can brutal sexual abuse be equated with voluntary?

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Do you stand by the accuracy of your statements that talking about the sexual (/excretory) organs in play is "hateful fear mongering"

I hope the above explains how I have come to that conclusion.

For now I prefer to stop here rather than get too many issues going in one post. You have other questions that I am not evading.

- NonE

As an aside, I just ran across this Strike-the-Root.com article which I wrote a couple of years ago which pretty much lays out my feelings on this issue. If you care, have a read.

- NonE

The Killing of Conscience, an interesting article by John Markley on Strike-the-Root.com which falls somewhere within the realm of this thread...

- NonE

NonE..It has just occurred to me that I may have offended you.
Let me assure you once again I was stating my opinion...I was not necessarily commenting on yours...and while it was and is not the same as your opinion or take on the subject...I simply cannot accept "as long as it is voluntary"..until a human being fully understands what that means ecetera. Perhaps the verbage was not how you would prefer it?. I chose to express my self that way because the very nature of pedofilia lit a fire under my ass ...ok. I offered and gave ..voluntarily. If you will read back in the thread I did mention to remove your apparent personal take on and that perhaps there was a context or intent issue. I also stated a partial agreement to your voluntary idea.
Dyl and BAL etc...have stated very clearly as I believe they understood what it is I was driving at. I thank them for that!!
What I do find troubling is even though similar ideas have been expressed ..perhaps more eloquently... but similar.. you seem to be badgering my post and opinion to the point of exhaustion.
I would appreciate it if you could find it in your to look at it at a new angle...K?

I listened to a very interesting Salon.com interview (link is to article, mp3 is linked from there) last night with the author of "The Lolita Effect: The Media Sexualization of Young Girls and What We Can Do About It."

One of the things that I came away with which relates to this thread is that sexuality is a continuum throughout life, and that "we" are really doing a bad job with little girls specifically and children in general as we don't deal with it. We don't help them to understand, cope with and learn how to deal with their sexuality. At the same time we ignore their growing sexuality and try to pretend that this thing we are uncomfortable with doesn't exist, we flood their world with sexual imagery and use them to market sex. The idea that I come away with is that instead of ignoring sexuality, we need to become much more open about it, communicate and discuss it. Sexuality is one of our most primal urges and we need to deal with it honestly rather than attempting to keep it in a bottle in a dark closet.

At any rate, some of you may find this podcast or article interesting material that relates to some parts of this thread.

- NonE

Here is a really interesting story regarding child sexual abuse.

- NonE