Chronology of a defoo

Static4367 · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Sat May 16, 2009 5:28 pm

I am amazed that public educational systems in their current form have lasted so long while being so entirely useless for their intended function (allowing that college is useful for maturation, etc).

I was lucky enough to maintain a B average early in college while becoming discouraged with one subject after another. After finding economics I was able to do somewhat better by being very selective of professors and subject matter. But, since graduation I have worked in finance for three years and used almost nothing I learned in school. I find it rather ridiculous to see some friends who are ahead of me professionally because they did somewhat better in classes that are completely irrelevant to what they now do. College has basically become a way to convey that you are willing to work hard and play by the rules.

NonEntity · Number of posts: 2594 Registration date: 2007-11-08

Static4367 wrote:

I am amazed that public educational systems in their current form have lasted so long while being so entirely useless for their intended function (allowing that college is useful for maturation, etc).

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College has basically become a way to convey that you are willing to work hard and play by the rules.

By your own admission you are showing how amazingly successful public educational systems are at their intended function.... building submitizens.

- NonE

Static4367 · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Sat May 16, 2009 6:30 pm

NonEntity wrote:

By your own admission you are showing how amazingly successful public educational systems are at their intended function.... building submitizens.

- NonE

Perhaps I should have said officially or stated intended function?

I don't agree with you that the intention is to create "submitizens". If that were the case then we could discover the "conspiracy" and easily put an end to the current system.

The current system exists because it is popular with voters to throw money at education, but it is impossible to actually create one system that caters to everyone. So to some extant politicians mandate certain Minimal standards and in other cases allow institutions (primarily true with colleges) to self direct. It is of course not the case that either the political mandates or the interests of the institutions correspond to what would actually be useful for people to learn.

Bigus Dickus · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Sat May 16, 2009 11:51 pm

Static4367 wrote:

I don't agree with you that the intention is to create "submitizens". If that were the case then we could discover the "conspiracy" and easily put an end to the current system.

Good point. I believe it's a cop-out do see things in terms of conspiracy or methodological collectivism.

NonEntity · Number of posts: 2594 Registration date: 2007-11-08

Static4367 wrote:

I don't agree with you that the intention is to create "submitizens". If that were the case then we could discover the "conspiracy" and easily put an end to the current system.

Just as easily as "we've" been able to reveal how idiotic belief in gods is? Yep. Sure. Got it! lol!

- NonE

Static4367 · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Sun May 17, 2009 1:45 am

NonEntity wrote:

Static4367 wrote:

I don't agree with you that the intention is to create "submitizens". If that were the case then we could discover the "conspiracy" and easily put an end to the current system.

Just as easily as "we've" been able to reveal how idiotic belief in gods is? Yep. Sure. Got it! lol!

- NonE

I think you are making a much different analogy than the one you intend. Belief in government action is not like a conspiracy where many people are fooled into doing something against their interest for the benefit of the conspirators. Instead it is much more like a religion where if anything people fool themselves. Support for gov't doesn't rely on politicians pulling the wool over our eyes and in fact support persists despite the complete and obvious ineptitude of bureaucrats and frequent highly public failures.

Conrad · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Sun May 17, 2009 6:26 pm

Stewart wrote:

It can be difficult to even get interviews without a bachelor's degree, which was one of the reasons I continually went back. Otherwise I doubt I would have taken the aforementioned jobs. The position that I have now is one that I got by taking a very short-term job for the company when it needed to hire someone quickly. After I did some work for them, they realized that I was worth keeping around, but it would have been hard to convince them of that with just a resume.

Despite spending a more than two years in college, I never really progressed past the standard first-year courses. So I have taken my share of philosophy, calculus, psychology, biology, english lit., economics, etc. classes, but I can't say how much time I actually spent in attendance, and I doubt I ever wrote a decent paper for any of them.

I think that my short time in university, like so many people's, was a sort of consumer good: I learned a lot of things in very shallow ways; I made friends; I became financially independent from my family; I moved into my first apartment; I met my wife. I wouldn't trade those experiences, and they definitely shaped my life in dramatic ways. But considering how much college tuition costs, it's hard for me to imagine that it was a productive investment of time and money.

other than the things you just mentioned, I take it.

I don't know, do you have any regrets? do you enjoy your job? want to do something else if there was an opportunity? I mean, obviously you're a very intelligent and clear thinker, and interested in a whole lot of things, so then the natural inclination might be to 'do something with that'. That could obviously take many forms though, and you may be doing that right now already

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nelle · Number of posts: 479 Registration date: 2009-02-09

Here is yet another defoo in the works. This time a 19 year old boy has been convinced that is the solution for him after listening to Stef's podcasts (sound familiar?). He is just trying to figure out how to go about doing it. Here we go again. De ja vous defoo.

http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/t/20747.aspx

NonEntity · Number of posts: 2594 Registration date: 2007-11-08

Static4367 wrote:

NonEntity wrote:

Static4367 wrote:

I don't agree with you that the intention is to create "submitizens". If that were the case then we could discover the "conspiracy" and easily put an end to the current system.

Just as easily as "we've" been able to reveal how idiotic belief in gods is? Yep. Sure. Got it! lol!

- NonE

I think you are making a much different analogy than the one you intend. Belief in government action is not like a conspiracy where many people are fooled into doing something against their interest for the benefit of the conspirators. Instead it is much more like a religion where if anything people fool themselves. Support for gov't doesn't rely on politicians pulling the wool over our eyes and in fact support persists despite the complete and obvious ineptitude of bureaucrats and frequent highly public failures.

I disagree. The reason I say this is that the religion of government is propagated similarly to that of churches. They get you when you're young and keep pounding this shit into your brain while at the same time preventing (child labor laws and similar) the acquisition of any experience in real world interaction and cause and effect learning.

And for those who go through the military, the very first thing they do in boot camp is to totally strip you (psychologically) of your individuality and turn you into a zombie robot willing to accept any order whatsoever without question.

This does not make for cognizant rational effective human beings.

- NonE

Conrad · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:18 am

nelle wrote:

Here is yet another defoo in the works. This time a 19 year old boy has been convinced that is the solution for him after listening to Stef's podcasts (sound familiar?). He is just trying to figure out how to go about doing it. Here we go again. De ja vous defoo.

http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/t/20747.aspx

It is odd how the number of defoos seems to have skyrocketed after the mainstream media articles

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nelle · Number of posts: 479 Registration date: 2009-02-09

This is a sad one.

http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/t/20858.aspx

nelle · Number of posts: 479 Registration date: 2009-02-09

And yet another-

http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/t/20855.aspx

nelle · Number of posts: 479 Registration date: 2009-02-09

It's hard to keep up with all of the defoo's these days.

Patience · Subject: Re: Chronology of a defoo Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:05 pm

nelle wrote:

This is a sad one.
http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/t/20858.aspx

Yes it is, but there's an amusing diversion when Bockman tries to start an argument with another member.

Dylboz · Number of posts: 2012 Registration date: 2007-09-20

Disgusting.

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