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| | | Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux | |
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Patience

Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | |  | | Alex

Number of posts: 785 Age: 39 Location: Baltimore, MD, USA Registration date: 2007-12-25
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:33 am | |
| That's a new version, isn't it? A lot of links back to FDR threads in there. Thanks Patience. _________________ If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.
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|  | | Patience

Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:45 am | |
| It is a new article showing an extraordinary amount of research by Tu Thanh Ha. He has discovered things I had not found after months of searching. I'm so pleased that some parents were brave enough to speak to him. The quotes from former members of Freedomain Radio confirm that it is possible to break away eventually, which gives me some hope. My heartfelt thanks to Tu Thanh Ha for his investigative work which resulted in this stunning article, to Kate Hilpern for her original piece in the Guardian and to all the parents and former members who took part. |
|  | | Conrad

Number of posts: 5123 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-22
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:35 am | |
| | Quote: | | Mr. Molyneux won't say how much revenues FDR generates. At one point, he thought incorrectly that someone had leaked subscribers-only podcasts to the Globe and Mail. "I cannot allow for the discussion or dissemination of any contents of any Premium Podcasts, since those are bonus conversations specifically reserved for donators, which of course I rely on for my income," he e-mailed. |
of course it has nothing to do with the content of these podcasts that may be more troubling than the ones that are freely accessile
| Quote: | | A search on the website shows that 67 people subscribed for the "Philosopher King" $50 monthly plan. Another 58 signed up for the $20 plan and 46 for the $10 plan. This would work out to $59,640 a year. And there are also various donation plans and paraphernalia. |
Very good that he investigated this
| Quote: | | Mr. Molyneux's writings outlines various parental reactions followers can expect, explaining that those reactions are forms of denials or defensive behaviour. |
And the thing is, because Stefan is able to predict these responses (as most people with considerable psychological insights would be) FDR'ers think that the responses are fake, are defense mechanisms, that their parents are 'robots' who mindlessly follow certain 'scripts'... But the two are unrelated: the fact that he can predict responses does not imply that those response are not genuine or heartfelt
| Quote: | "What you went through is staggeringly evil," Mr. Molyneux said. He suggested that Tom's mother became pregnant to placate an abusive spouse. "It's not that she failed to protect you from the devil. She created you for the devil."
"I can't remember the last time I got so angry," Tom said. Mr. Molyneux replied: "That's healthy anger."
Mr. Molyneux said in an interview that he wasn't trying to feed ideas into Tom's mind or attribute motives to his mother.
He said he just presented Tom a theory befitting the description of his father.
"All it is is a theory. I wasn't telling him what his experience was." |
this is Stef flat out lying to 'outsiders'. he told Tom that 'we don't need evidence for this and that Tom already knows the truth of this theory deep down but that it is just not conscious yet'. At every point Stef tried to convey the impression that this is exactly not just a theory or suggestion, but the truth. What he says here is just a lie and it makes you wonder why he feels the need to lie if he doesn't think he's done anything wrong.
it's the same kind of lie as in the BBC interview.
Stef does literally tell Tom to ditch his parents in the podcast and so he did lie to the BBC guy when he said that he never told Tom to leave his parents:
But it was Stef who first said that his father was the devil and that Tom's mother created him for the devil. The devil is evil, and somebody who made the choice to create her own child for the devil, who 'threw him into the lion's den and ate some $#@* popcorn while her child was being mauled' can properly be called evil too. So in Stef's interpretation Tom's parents are evil. (Later on, at 2h 57m 55 Stef explicitly confirms this by calling his parents 'stone-evil')
And then a bit after that at 1h 55m 20s, before Tom has said anything about leaving home, stef say 'this is why I say to people: if your parents are evil, ditch them'
So Stef claims 1. Tom's parents are evil and 2. if your parents are evil, ditch them, which leads to 3. Tom should ditch his parents.
It does not get clearer than this. So for all intents and purposes Stef here tell Tom to ditch his parents, before Tom himself has mentioned it.
| Quote: | | In some podcasts, he is joined by his wife, Christina Papadopoulos, a psychological associate, meaning a practitioner who has a master's degree in psychology, not a doctorate. |
I'm a bit surprised that Christina's full name is mentioned.
anyway, so at least she does have an MA, Zeb...
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|  | | Free Radical

Number of posts: 170 Registration date: 2007-09-27
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:20 am | |
| | Conrad wrote: | | Quote: | | In some podcasts, he is joined by his wife, Christina Papadopoulos, a psychological associate, meaning a practitioner who has a master's degree in psychology, not a doctorate. |
anyway, so at least she does have an MA, Zeb... |
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|  | | Zebra Foal

Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:14 am | |
| Did anyone know that Stef was a radio DJ....? |
|  | | Deep Purple
Number of posts: 127 Registration date: 2008-05-10
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:48 am | |
| About half of the links to the boards link to dead pages. He removed the threads, either putting them under the protection of donator-only boards or removing them altogether. I can imagine why. The weird thing was that I got two e-mails around 3 AM last night from FDR, consisting of what I presume to be the original posts of two of those threads. I attempted to search the boards for those two thread titles without luck. On Stef's income: the reporter assumed that everyone with a donator icon got it by donating $X/month, rather than it being an accumulation of years of donating. When I left FDR, I was a Philosopher King, but at the time I was only donating $20/month, not $50/month. This will tend to inflate the estimate. On the other hand, some people donate without joining the boards, which will tend to decrease the estimate. I wonder why Stef is so secretive on this point. Well, I have my theories, but I wonder which one is right. I wonder how The Community is going to react to Stef's desire to pull back from spending so much time online. [edit: Did the LiMi people who were quoted in the piece contact the reporter, or did the reporter contact you guys?] |
|  | | Patience

Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:59 am | |
| | Zebra Foal wrote: | | Did anyone know that Stef was a radio DJ....? |
He mentions it in the recording he made of his interview with Tu Thanh Ha. He's posted a link to it as podcast FDR1231 in a thread called: Freedomain Radio in the Globe and Mail... I'm not including hyperlink here in case anyone else gets banned by Stef.
By the way, in the recorded interview, Stef also mentions he got an A for his thesis! So funny! Apart from his usual lies, there are lots of entertaining moments in the recording of his interview. I think the loud clicks are from a camera. A while ago, he mentioned an interview and photo-shoot by the Globe and Mail. |
|  | | reddeerrick

Number of posts: 431 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Registration date: 2007-10-17
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:35 am | |
| I thought it was funny that he called FDR a "Canadian success story". What is this, an appeal to national pride? |
|  | | Dylboz

Number of posts: 2014 Registration date: 2007-09-20
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:53 am | |
| Funny. After almost an hour on the phone, I get paired down to a sentence. Oh well. I was worried that I'd come off as petty or obsessed or that he'd use the most crazy sounding parts of our interview and that the FDR folks would come after me online (like they've done to Conrad and Barbara) as a result. Really, there is nothing there, in that one sentence, that I think even the most dedicated Molynaught could argue with. DP - I was contacted, I did not go looking for or contact Mr. Ha. He came to me. _________________ Please check out my blog! Dylboznia
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|  | | Waiting
Number of posts: 28 Registration date: 2008-08-29
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:01 pm | |
| Thank you to everybody who participated in this article. I hope it will open some eyes. I'm very grateful as a defood parent for all the support that the families are getting. This would be even more difficult to deal with alone. |
|  | | ExyPhylo

Number of posts: 1180 Registration date: 2007-12-12
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:09 pm | |
| | Deep Purple wrote: | On Stef's income: the reporter assumed that everyone with a donator icon got it by donating $X/month, rather than it being an accumulation of years of donating. When I left FDR, I was a Philosopher King, but at the time I was only donating $20/month, not $50/month. This will tend to inflate the estimate. On the other hand, some people donate without joining the boards, which will tend to decrease the estimate. I wonder why Stef is so secretive on this point. Well, I have my theories, but I wonder which one is right. |
It is a subscription of a minimum of $50 a month for Philosopher King status. Many give far more money in general, I think it is a gross underestimate of the amount he receives.
I would imagine Stefan Molyneux restricting new posters and members from the boards now, is simply to protect that income. He knows at least for the meantime he will have to focus on the infant and he will be OK if he simply maintains what he has.
Unless the article prompts agencies to get involved he should be fine. |
|  | | ExyPhylo

Number of posts: 1180 Registration date: 2007-12-12
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:10 pm | |
| | Conrad wrote: | I'm a bit surprised that Christina's full name is mentioned. |
Yes and her credentials! etc.
| Quote: | | "I'm sure a few marriages broke up because of feminism, it doesn't make feminism a cult." |
A few marriages also broke up because of alcoholism, homosexuality and porn addiction too. How is that relative to family abuse? (sarcasm)
Come to think of it, Freedomain Radio and defoo has much in common with addiction and dependence . |
|  | | ExyPhylo

Number of posts: 1180 Registration date: 2007-12-12
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:31 pm | |
| | reddeerrick wrote: | | I thought it was funny that he called FDR a "Canadian success story". What is this, an appeal to national pride? |
Yes, that is funny... an appeal to national pride and a prod at the national news paper to pose the article from that angle....
however, the result ->| Quote: | | ....appear to have followed the script of the pied piper from Canadian suburbia. |
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|  | | Conrad

Number of posts: 5123 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-22
 | Subject: Re: Globe and Mail article by Tu Thanh Ha on Stefan Molyneux Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:33 pm | |
| Apart from the reporter's use of the term 'pied piper' (which, being a non-native speaker, I assume has derogatory connotations) the article is quite balanced, giving Stef's perspective (often quoting him directly) as well as the perspective of the critics, and it provides documentation so that people can make up their own minds which supposedly is what Stef would want. I mean, what parts of the article are false or taken out of context? the mere fact that it is not just or mainly Stef's perspective in the article is probably what he dislikes about it, but what could he legitimately attack? perhaps the part 'who encourages people to cut contact with their parents', but this too is simply what he does in a lot of cases (i can only think of one instance where Stef said to a listener that it was too easy to blame the listener's parents for his current problems), so even this is not false or deceptive I think btw that Stef's emotional manipulation of listeners is the most damning aspect of FDR and Stef, and I can understand that in the short space of the article there is no room to really analyze that in a lot of detail and that is a shame, but I think the reporter did a good job including the fragments from the podcast with Tom (and then including Stef's (lying) response) that serve as an illustration of this phenomenon (don't know if the reporter also saw it that way though)
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