How do cults progress/regress/develop?

Libby · Number of posts: 65 Registration date: 2008-10-14

I was INTJ in high school, I learned to be an INTP in college, and then the thin veneer of civility that took four years to apply slid right off with my first job. A shame, really.

ExyPhylo · Number of posts: 1180 Registration date: 2007-12-12

I was an ENFP and an INFP in high school then I got the "F" out of there.

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

Conrad wrote:

Zeb, what was I again? INTP or INTJ? or somewhere in the middle?

Cje, you were...uh.. well, we disagreed. I thought you were an INTJ; but you thought you were an INTP.

Why don't ya take the test again? It's an interesting version cuz it gives you a choice with most questions of "in-between" (not one or the other)-- but clearly if you select that one, you are scoring for "P"- ness.

But I also think, re the very interesting discussion above, that troubles of other kinds (or in Stef's case, pathology) can skew results....

Conrad · Subject: Re: How do cults progress/regress/develop? Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:24 am

Zebra Foal wrote:

Conrad wrote:

Zeb, what was I again? INTP or INTJ? or somewhere in the middle?

Cje, you were...uh.. well, we disagreed. I thought you were an INTJ; but you thought you were an INTP.

Why don't ya take the test again? It's an interesting version cuz it gives you a choice with most questions of "in-between" (not one or the other)-- but clearly if you select that one, you are scoring for "P"- ness.

But I also think, re the very interesting discussion above, that troubles of other kinds (or in Stef's case, pathology) can skew results....

all I remember is that I was very special, belonging to <1% of the population of the same type. And oddly enough, so did almost everybody else who I know took the test...

I ain't gonna take no test again, that'd just be toying with destiny.

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

QuestEon wrote:

Liberator wrote:

I think people mix up being introverted/extroverted with being shy/outgoing. You can be a really outgoing introvert. I think the way the Myers-Briggs thing defines it is that you feel refreshed after spending time alone if you are an introvert and you feel refreshed after spending time with people if you are an extrovert. So after a long day at the office, an introvert would go home and do something solitary to relax, and an extrovert would go out to happy hour with coworkers to relax.

INTJ represent!

That makes sense to me. I don't know for sure if Molyneux is an extrovert. He's created some giant voodoo philosophy that justifies dismissing as many people as possible from your life! He just doesn't sound like a party kind of guy to me.

He looks outgoing and all, but I think that's all an act and show and marketing.

Linking back to Zeb's line of thought, I would imagine his victims are not so far apart in personality from him. They might all share some introvertedness. But this is all my uninformed opinion.

Re Molyneux's extroversion: I think he is. I have seen other extreme extroverts form closed groups as he has. Here's my reasoning: One key extrovert trait is to explore/develop thinking *in public*-- out loud. Another: He clearly gets energized whipping butts out there.
Thirdly, he was an *actor*-- still is.

But keep in mind re the defoo voodoo( defoodoo) : For him: Dismiss, but, instead of keeping yr own counsel, go hogwild building, and chattering with, your group of Fagan's boys.

It's SM's pathology that raises these questions, I wager.

Somebody who "knows" Stef pretty well: PLEASE take the test as you think he would answer it (if he answered truthfully; if he weren't pounding the test questions into a UPB mash.)

Conrad · Subject: Re: How do cults progress/regress/develop? Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:39 am

ENTJ, but with about half of the questions I found it very difficult to sensibly answer them for him.

Conrad · Subject: Re: How do cults progress/regress/develop? Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:41 am

it's also hard to capture the pathology that is Stef in doing the test for him. The test in its possible answers assumes normalcy

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

Conrad wrote:

ENTJ, but with about half of the questions I found it very difficult to sensibly answer them for him.

ENTJ: That would have been my guess too.

and yes, the test assumes normality.

Interestingly though, it has its own bias. If you get 50-50 in one pairing it decides that you're an extrovert. For sure the test itself is a "J" !

Conrad · Subject: Re: How do cults progress/regress/develop? Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:50 am

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

Let me correct that: If you submit the test with *no* answers it decides that you are an extrovert.

If you get a 50-50 T and F, it decides that you are a T....

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

Conrad wrote:

ENTJ, but with about half of the questions I found it very difficult to sensibly answer them for him.

This is how I scored STEF:

ENTJ.

Extraverted (E) 86% Introverted (I) 14%
Intuitive (N) 86% Sensing (S) 14%
Thinking (T) 80% Feeling (F) 20%
Judging (J) 55% Perceiving (P) 45%

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

Do we know whether L'Enfant Molyneux is to be une fille ou un garcon?

And for l'enfant's own sake, what do we hope for?

Patience · Number of posts: 368 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26

Zebra Foal wrote:

Do we know whether L'Enfant Molyneux is to be une fille ou un garcon?

And for l'enfant's own sake, what do we hope for?

For the child's sake, a girl. Stef would try to re-live his own childhood through a son.

Zebra Foal · Number of posts: 877 Registration date: 2007-08-16

Patience wrote:

Zebra Foal wrote:

Do we know whether L'Enfant Molyneux is to be une fille ou un garcon?

And for l'enfant's own sake, what do we hope for?

For the child's sake, a girl. Stef would try to re-live his own childhood through a son.

He introduced the pregnancy by saying that there would be another "chattering forehead"-- so clearly is thinking (or was) only re a boy, a Stef clone--

so you're right, Patience.

On the other hand, wouldn't he go crazy with a girl when she reached puberty and he was no longer her hero...

Patience · Number of posts: 368 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26

Zebra Foal wrote:

On the other hand, wouldn't he go crazy with a girl when she reached puberty and he was no longer her hero...

Yes, he would. That would be a moment worth waiting for. But I think he's going to find the whole thing difficult. He will no longer be the centre of the universe in that household.