I finally did it...a critique of UPB

T.E.M. · Number of posts: 230 Location: 'ol Virginny Registration date: 2008-12-05

Stef defines his terms differently from one minute to the next; didn't you get the memo? A notable example is his new "spinal cord," vs traditional definition of self ownership. He doesn't explicitly define it the traditional way, rather he defines it spinal style and then subtly slips into conclusions based on the traditional definition, hoping people don't notice.

Stewart · Number of posts: 1186 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-03

ReIgNoFrAdNeSs wrote:

For instance, stef will claim that people who claim that "murder" is moral, are contradicting themselves. However, are said people REALLY defining the word "moral" the way stef is? Are people REALLY arguing that murder can be practiced by all people, all the time? I don't think so.

This was the basic realization that eventually led me away from FDR entirely.

If you and I both say that killing a baby is immoral, but we have different meanings for why that should be so, then we don't actually agree at all. It seems like we agree, though, because we're using the same word, and so we're inclined to think that we do agree, but that one of us just has the details wrong.

FDR-groupies ostensibly think that rape is wrong because of some Kantian sense of non-universality. But a utilitarian believes that it's wrong because it causes more suffering than happiness. And my mother-in-law probably thinks it's wrong because it makes Baby Jesus sad.

None of those people are talking about the same thing. But they will have arguments with each other for hours and hours because their use of the same word, 'wrong', leads them to believe that they're arguing about an issue of fact, rather than an issue of preference and semantics.

Molyneux occasionally shows some awareness of this problem, but he's completely oblivious to the fact that he continues to suffer from it himself.

Stewart · Number of posts: 1186 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-03

Also, I felt a weird sort of anxiety responding to this thread, because ReIgNoFrAdNeSs made a video a little while ago that referred to me as something like "an intellectual kick-ass ninja."

Does it have to be so awkward the morning after, RoR? Can't we just cuddle?

Dylboz · Number of posts: 2014 Registration date: 2007-09-20

So I don't have to go watch Stef, someone who knows please explain "spinal cord" self-ownership.

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Dylboz wrote:

So I don't have to go watch Stef, someone who knows please explain "spinal cord" self-ownership.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ghbdfRNUdc

I'm not trying to shamelessly self-promote myself. It's just that I actually play the relevant clips of stef in this video, and referring you to it, is easier than explaining it.

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Stewart wrote:

Also, I felt a weird sort of anxiety responding to this thread, because ReIgNoFrAdNeSs made a video a little while ago that referred to me as something like "an intellectual kick-ass ninja."

Does it have to be so awkward the morning after, RoR? Can't we just cuddle?

I was just using you to get to vichi. Now that I've lulled all you folks into a false sense of trust, I can seduce her and steal her out from under you. I'm going to start my own forum, and she's going to be the token hottie-genius thereon. I'm sorry you had to be a mere pawn in my evil plan Stewart. It wasn't personal.

vichy · Number of posts: 918 Location: Northwest US Registration date: 2008-07-26

I was just using you to get to vichi. Now that I've lulled all you folks into a false sense of trust, I can seduce her and steal her out from under you. I'm going to start my own forum, and she's going to be the token hottie-genius thereon. I'm sorry you had to be a mere pawn in my evil plan Stewart. It wasn't personal.
Thanks for abolishing all doubt which might have remained that you are a geek.

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rarson · Subject: Re: I finally did it...a critique of UPB Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:06 am

Stewart wrote:

FDR-groupies ostensibly think that rape is wrong because of some Kantian sense of non-universality. But a utilitarian believes that it's wrong because it causes more suffering than happiness. And my mother-in-law probably thinks it's wrong because it makes Baby Jesus sad.

None of those people are talking about the same thing. But they will have arguments with each other for hours and hours because their use of the same word, 'wrong', leads them to believe that they're arguing about an issue of fact, rather than an issue of preference and semantics.

Molyneux occasionally shows some awareness of this problem, but he's completely oblivious to the fact that he continues to suffer from it himself.

These three paragraphs are drenching with such awesomeness that I actually had to register and tell you that. I couldn't have put it better myself.

I found this thread from Shawn's video. I've read a couple LM threads before but I figured I might as well take the plunge and join.

Stewart · Number of posts: 1186 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-03

ReignOfRadness wrote:

I was just using you to get to vichi. Now that I've lulled all you folks into a false sense of trust, I can seduce her and steal her out from under you. I'm going to start my own forum, and she's going to be the token hottie-genius thereon. I'm sorry you had to be a mere pawn in my evil plan Stewart. It wasn't personal.

Oh, it's cool. If it were up to me, though, you could just take her. Vichy is craaaaaaazy.

Conrad · Subject: Re: I finally did it...a critique of UPB Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:46 am

And here is the non-discussion of Danny's latest on FDR

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Conrad · Subject: Re: I finally did it...a critique of UPB Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:54 am

Stewart wrote:

ReignOfRadness wrote:

I was just using you to get to vichi. Now that I've lulled all you folks into a false sense of trust, I can seduce her and steal her out from under you. I'm going to start my own forum, and she's going to be the token hottie-genius thereon. I'm sorry you had to be a mere pawn in my evil plan Stewart. It wasn't personal.

Oh, it's cool. If it were up to me, though, you could just take her. Vichy is craaaaaaazy.

What is it with all these Korean girls being given up for adoption?

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vichy · Number of posts: 918 Location: Northwest US Registration date: 2008-07-26

Given the vile, abusive and destructive people Danny supports and hangs around with on a hate site, my only comment is that I do not think Danny Shahar is in any position to criticize ethical theories.
Lol.
Argumentum ad hominem.

Conrad · Subject: Re: I finally did it...a critique of UPB Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:43 am

it's also funny that Pim criticizes (wholly unjustly me thinks) Danny for nitpicking and then proceeds to do nothing but nitpicking in his post

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wilheldp · Number of posts: 191 Registration date: 2007-10-12

Looks like Eugene is ridin' for a fall in that thread. He'll be banned before Monday.

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Conrad · Subject: Re: I finally did it...a critique of UPB Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:12 am

I wonder where Memeverse is btw.

Eugene will only be banned if he persists and if he gets angry when people continue to respond in evasive, passive-aggressive ways

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