Philadelphia Tea-Party - speaker Stefan Molyneux

Conrad

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That's a lotta "ifs" Conrad!!!

I know

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Actually, I think there is a confusion, which I only learned to grasp about 10 years ago as a result of Nathaniel Branden's taped talk on spirituality, between religion and spirituality. I think that pretty much the definition of religion is the acceptance of something without or even in spite of proof to the contrary.

yes, that's a good definition

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Spirituality is a whole 'nuther thing.

For instance, when you describe someone believing in something religiously, it means that there is no reason involved and no reason is accepted either. On the basis of that understanding of the idea of religion, I must say I find it evil.

I'd say it's either superstitious or evil when it's irrational, but not so when it's arational

I is recommending again "Varieties of Religious Experience" by William James as well as Tolstoi's re-telling of the Gospels, "The Gospel in Brief"

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So if you are supporting the idea of parents helping children to explore the sense of spirit that they feel motivates some parts of their existence, I would give high praise to this.

well, that's sort of what I mean, and this search is often experienced and expressed in religious mythology and rituals

even when parents believe in a more irrational sense, as long as they don't force their beliefs on their children, then I don'\t think it's evil

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NonEntity · Number of posts: 2598 Registration date: 2007-11-08

Conrad wrote:

even when parents believe in a more irrational sense, as long as they don't force their beliefs on their children, then I don'\t think it's evil

Yes, agreed. Which brings up the REALLY sticky question of "what is force" when the term is applied to the relations between parties which vary dramatically in maturity, power, emotional development and so on. And THAT is a whole 'nuther HUGE topic for discussion on another thread or several.

Speaking of parents forcing... check out the autobiography, Call Me Crazy, by Anne Heche, wherein she describes her childhood in a VERY BIZARRE religious and sexually abusive home. It's amazing that she can walk and speak coherently having grown up as she apparently did.

It is hard for me to even contemplate a childhood as perverted as hers, but then, just look about us, Michael Jackson just died and look what his distorted childhood resulted in. No matter what he may or may not have done, there is nothing but sadness I feel for the inability he had to have a childhood. If anything is an example of the importance of innocence and play and love, it is Michael Jackson's life.

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vichy · Number of posts: 918 Location: Northwest US Registration date: 2008-07-26

Molyneux is not 'virtually a fascist'. He's an incompetent with delusions of self-importance.

Niall · Number of posts: 29 Registration date: 2009-05-10

Freedom and FreedomainRadio have nothing in common except the borrowing of a word to make a catchy name and to seduce listeners into a rigid and closed world of ideas, speech and individuality. His riding on the coat tails of libertarianism is equally appalling. His anti statism is farcial as his vision, is far more controlled and limiting that what exists now. In his free world there is one voice - his. Even his wife (and women generally) seems to be treated by him as an appendage or second class person. Therefore it is astounding that C4L even invited him onto their platform and initially embraced him as their own. Let us hope that over the weekend the "debate" focuses on the whole FDR package, not some of the psuedo libertarian / anarchocap spin he employs. Of course, FDR, like Pravda in the old Soviet Union, the script has already been written and the button ready to punched about Stefan Molyneux's great triumph in Philly and how he intellectually out matched all the retro thinkers he encountered.

QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Niall wrote:

...the script has already been written and the button ready to punched about Stefan Molyneux's great triumph in Philly and how he intellectually out matched all the retro thinkers he encountered.

I wonder if, like newspaper bios, the inner circle already have their "review" posts written and ready to go...

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Conrad

so how the hell did Stefan's performance go?

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Patience · Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26

It was the greatest speech ever heard in Philadelphia, or I'm sure that's how it will be reported.
Stef's debate at Drexel University today will be streamed live. There's a link on the FDR home page.

Conrad

what, it's 2 days then? I thought the debate was yesterday

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Patience · Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26

Yesterday was an outdoor speech at the tail end of the Tea Party picnic. Stef was one of three or four speakers. Today is an indoor event at Drexel University. Stef is debating Michael Badnarik this afternoon. There will be internet connection at the Uni so he will be able live stream it to his audience on FDR (see homepage for link).

Conrad

ah okay, thanks

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Laird

Dang, I should visit this site more often. I totally could have went to this.

Oh well, there will probably be transcripts of what went down.

Weirdest turn of events, though. It's a British/Irish dude who lives in Canada going to America on an American patriotic holiday. This guy is not a fan of patriotism, and is not a fan of the organization he's speaking for (he bashed Ron Paul a lot in the past). How did this happen again?

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twistedfister · Number of posts: 30 Registration date: 2008-08-01

So any video linkage to either the debate or the speech?

Somebody posted a youtube video link to the debate here: http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=29965.0

...but it's been pulled already.

Most people are saying just the debate is 5 hours or so of video, and will take at least a week to edit. It's already been a week.

Niall · Number of posts: 29 Registration date: 2009-05-10

It is a bit surprising that feedback, even on the FDR website is so muted. One suspects that outside his protective cocoon, surrounded by his adoring unquestioning acolytes SM is a mere mortal with little to actual communicate. Perhaps.........

Patience · Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26

There were problems with the sound on the videos of the Philly events. They either had no sound at all in parts or they had a loud hum, as can be heard in this clip of the question and answer section of the Molyneux vs Badnarik "debate" at Drexel University:
http://www.justin.tv/clip/8a5d8d5960120545

Stef's people are working on the various sound problems and the final versions of the videos should be available shortly. I wonder if the Q&A session will be included in the director's cut version.

nelle · Number of posts: 482 Registration date: 2009-02-09

Interesting clip. I wonder where all those FDR people are getting the idea to leave their family and friends if Molyneux has "never suggested" it to them. Hmmmmmmmmmm....let's see.....they are all FDR members and the common factor is....STEF!