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QuestEon



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PostSubject: Quickies!   Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:18 am

I keep making little observations about FDR, or people tell me about their own observations and I think they're cool but I don't feel like making some big article about it. Or sometimes I've written little bits buried in long-winded articles that could stand on their own.

So this might be a new feature on fdrliberated. Or not.

As always, opinions cheerfully accepted.

Quickies! (Nov '09)

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nelle



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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:49 pm

You're brilliant as ever QuestEon, stating your perceptive insights with clarity and wit. Thank you! I hope that your thoughts are being read by FDR members, and that they will spark some independent thought.

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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:47 pm

Mega dittos!

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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:16 pm

Interesting point on conclusions QuestEon, Check out what Paul C thinks about parents who teach conclusions 8th reply down.
Errr, doesn;t Moly teach conclusions and it doesn't really make any difference who's kids they are does it?
http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/p/23119/180668.aspx#180668
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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:26 am

Regarding selling "truth" for money:

I don't know if it has to do with the money, so much as it has to do with the "truth." Competent psychologists sell guidance and understanding, but do so in a much better way that leads people to their subjective truth on their own. Stef finds an objective "truth" and coaxes his followers to it.

Funny how Stef always bitches about parents emotionally bullying their kids, but he's just giving them a helping hand by yelling at them about how evil their parents are. But I've probably been abused too much to see the difference. Sleep

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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:36 pm

Hi QuestEon,

I really enjoyed reading your latest installment. As I read, I realized that as moly is renovating his image lately, he does suggest that each member who mentions the desire to defoo seek counseling. I believe his standard line goes something like this now, "I am so sorry to hear that you are going through this difficult time. May I ask if you have sought the guidance of a professional counselor through this painful process?" However, you are right, he never, ever suggests that the possible defooer go into therapy with his friends or family who he or she is considering defooing from. He never suggests trying to heal or repair the relationship. That is not a part of the equation. It is merely sympathy and a suggestion of therapy to have help through this "troubled time". That's it. Reconciliation is not an option that is ever spoken of.
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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:39 pm

The lastest lame attempt at whimsy and stuff.

http://www.fdrliberated.com/?p=1539

January 2010: Christina's Web, Conrad's Conundrum, Abusing VJ Felittie's A.C.E. Study, Brain-scan thievery, Circling bastards!

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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:10 pm

QuestEon wrote:
The lastest lame attempt at whimsy and stuff.

http://www.fdrliberated.com/?p=1539

January 2010: Christina's Web, Conrad's Conundrum, Abusing VJ Felittie's A.C.E. Study, Brain-scan thievery, Circling bastards!

Fascinating as ever. Hope it is not the lastest!
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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:53 pm

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So there is another interesting web in Christina’s clinic, where apparently it’s a matter of random chance whether you pick Christina behind Door #1, who believes family and religion are the source of all the world’s problems or her employee behind Door #2, who actually belongs to a religion (I verified it) and probably thinks that blaming your parents for everything wrong in your life is preposterous (and maybe a little, um, adolescent). Can you choose wisely, troubled one?

wow. just wow.
though you may be pushing it a bit with the 'probably... preposterous.'

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famous Ring Lardner line: “Shut up,” he explained.) Whether it was because…

* Conrad pointed out an unanswerable logical flaw
* exposed that Molyneux’s best “ideas” aren’t exactly original
* reminded Molyneux that he’d been sidestepping more than a few other flaw-exposing questions
* or simply embarrased Molyneux by reminding him that he has absurdly predicted a total economic system collapse within 5-10 years (even less now!)

…remains to be seen.

It all happens in this short thread, which is one of my all-time favorites. (In just a few short answers, Molyneux exhibits at least #3, #5, and #7 from the list of known Molyneux debating techniques.)

Conrad was asking about more than a point of logic. With one question, he more or less blew up the whole Molyneux philosophic universe, so you can hardly blame Molyneux for the rapid banning.

that was an awesome thread. i mean, i irrefutably nailed him on a fundamental contradiction and I pointed out how he was dodging key issues. I rule.

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Specifically, Dr. Perry’s research focused on “globally neglected children,” those suffering from severe malnutrition, very little social contact, etc. Some of them were so badly neglected that they “were raised in cages in dark rooms for the first years of their lives.”

It seems Molyneux is entirely misrepresenting Perry’s work to make his own points. I guess Neuroscientist Abuse is just as acceptable as Psychologist Abuse. In his defense, Molyneux would probably say that while the image is on-screen, he uses the word “neglect,” but he is clearly slipping it in as if it is part of Felitti’s work.

Not convinced, huh?

Then let’s freeze the YouTube image at 2:31 and compare it to the one on the Perry study I linked to. Notice something? That’s right, Molyneux blocked out the labels beneath the two brain scans, the one saying “Normal” on the left and the one saying “Extreme Neglect” on the right!

I guess Molyneux was afraid you’d worry yourself sick trying to understand what, if anything, that slide had to do with the point he was making about abuse. And that kind of thing could cause brain damage. So he just blocked it out so you wouldn’t be confused.

that's pretty misleading and pretty intentional

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so the one thing I have noticed that is centrally characteristic of those who are participating in this conversation and particularly those who continue–who don’t hit a plateau and just kind of stop and circle, slowly. is that they have not harmed others. They have not harmed others.

haha! tis not true

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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:21 pm

Let me say that I've always wondered exactly what transpired to cause the separation between you and fdr, Conrad. It was nice to be able to see it all laid out in black and white. Brilliant.

Excuse me, did he really say that fdr true believers have not hurt anyone? Wow! That's quite a statement for one who professes "truth, honesty, and virtue" above all. I know for a fact (as you said Conrad) that is NOT true.

I have a couple of questions.
1) If Christina's professional partner is indeed a member of a religion - does that make Christina corrupt for working so closely with him/her? I mean, according to molyneux it might. Members of his site have quit their jobs for less close associations after all. And we know they have "quit" their associations with friends and family members over such. Is Christina not supposed to do the same?

2) I wonder if Dr. Perry knows of moly's incorrect use of his research materials and the like without his consent.

Hmmmmmm.......interesting stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:09 pm

nelle wrote:
Excuse me, did he really say that fdr true believers have not hurt anyone?
Yes, he explained that parents don't count.

nelle wrote:
2) I wonder if Dr. Perry knows of moly's incorrect use of his research materials and the like without his consent.
Maybe someone ought to mention it to Dr Perry...
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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:16 pm

Hmmmm....okay, so if parents don't count as "anyone", how about friends, co-workers, fellow students, room mates, neighbors, etc. You know, people who you might associate with on a daily basis, and then suddenly decide they are "corrupt" and discontinue all association. Is this considered to not count as well? That is fascinating.


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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:32 pm

nelle wrote:
Hmmmm....okay, so if parents don't count as "anyone", how about friends, co-workers, fellow students, room mates, neighbors, etc. You know, people who you might associate with on a daily basis, and then suddenly decide they are "corrupt" and discontinue all association. Is this considered to not count as well? That is fascinating.

Good point on my second question Patience.

It's a rambling podcast taken at breakneck speed, though the speed of Stef's delivery doesn't disguise the nonsense he talks. Briefly, parents don't count because of the power balance going in the wrong direction(?). The people you've decided to put out of your life don't count because they're bad people.
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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:54 pm

"Bad people". Ah. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up, Patience.



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PostSubject: Re: Quickies!   Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:35 pm

Ah, but you did not know that until you joined fdr, incapable of making your own choices up till then were we?

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