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sutible4livestok



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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:19 am

ExyPhylo wrote:
From FDR:

Privacy Policy

I take your privacy very seriously. As a result, I will...

* ...not divulge your contact information
* ...not mention your name or location without explicit permission

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Hmmm..... so I guess he is both a liar and a con-artist
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:23 am

also is there a link to this thread on the FDR board, im now slightly curious as to what is being said
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:26 am

We can criticize governments all we want, but they will just ignore us. At least we can confound Stef by criticizing his wacky beliefs. I say keep it up!

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:31 am

sutible4livestok wrote:
also is there a link to this thread on the FDR board, im now slightly curious as to what is being said

No- perhaps in the gold forum.
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the post above originated hereand SM's page with the above is linked there.
It is not viewable or accessed on the FDR web site but may be on the gold forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:47 am

I can't believe that he has wasted bandwith trying to defame the people who post here. I also can't seem to grasp why he doesn't put the cult thing to rest by......not being a cult......

I mean, lets assume Molyneux really doesn't want to be a cult, the first thing he would do is get rid of donations and go back to work and do this philosophy thing part time, or get a job where he wrote a philosophy column in a legitimate magazine, newpaper, periodical of some sort. If it were me, I would immediately dismantle the site upon facing the cult name. I mean, its the same logic stef used in a podcast(can't recall which) in which he says that Britain should have dismantled its military to keep Hitler at bay.
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:01 am

Yeah, we should turn his argument from priority around on him. And also, why does he feel the need to hide what he does from his critics? Anyway, I think I'm just going to write the guy an open letter, because his attempt to pull out the most inflammatory and emotional rants from the *thousands* of posts I've written is an obvious attempt to paint me as something I'm not. And yet I still think when you read those bits, I come off pretty well, but no one likes to have their every word poured over, taken out of context and re-framed in the worst possible light. I mean, that thread with the "Jew-boy" and the "TALK SHIT" stuff was actually humorous, and the context from which he removed it would have made that clear.

Why wouldn't it occur to anyone who looks at those selections that there might actually be a reason the guy provokes such emotions in people? Does he really think that anyone will be fooled into thinking that we're just a bunch of angry cranks with nothing better to do than hate a bald Canadian guy?

So, I just think I'm going to publicly state my case, call him out on the deception, make a demand that I know he will ignore (openness and honesty in debate about family and religion, and the nature of abuse and what to do about it, as well as what he is really telling his followers and what he gets from them financially in return) and be done with it. Catharsis achieved, I'll move on. Besides, I really think that once the light of day hits this guy full force, he'll be toast.

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:08 am

I wonder how many people have been insta-banned by browsing FDR and LM at the same time thanks to the links in Stef's article...

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:14 am

Stefan Molyneux wrote:
I hope that when the smoke clears, I will feel more comfortable posting here again. Smile

WTF?!?

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:32 am

Well, part of the smoke clearing was getting me booted from that forum. Like I said, I never posted, but I read the threads all the time, and I will miss it, because some real luminaries were conversating in there. Heinrich vouched for me, but I just cannot believe that my getting removed from the list immediately after that post was made by Stef (who also never posts there either, except to sell his fucking books) was some kind of coincidence. I am not going to ask anyone to re-admit me. I sure hope they didn't boot Conrad, because he was a real regular. Seems like a petty powerplay for Stef to try and get Conrad kicked off Kinsella's Libertarian Forum on Google groups, because like I said, he really was embarrassed by that community when he tried to go after Conrad. That was actually the source of the whole "Family Guy" controversy that resulted in my final break with Stef and FDR. I hate Stef's emoticons, they always seem so contrived and manipulative (that "smile" should have been a wink and a nod, like "after you ban all the people I don't like from here, maybe I'll come back and post,"). Blech.

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:45 am

But why does he think anybody cares how comfortable he is?

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:56 am

He doesn't. He has made 18 posts on that site. All but one or two are to advertise his site.

Limian's got him good there when he posted on the Guardian article. He has more than likely been chewing on that for some time.

He had/has another objective; to appear a victim and exact ...

Revenge.
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:44 am

Poor, poor, Stef...

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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:01 am

From what I can remember, Molyneux has never contributed any substantial discussion to the Libertarian Forum google group. I suppose the rough-and-tumble environment is too much for him, or the fact that there are serious luminaries posting there intimidates him.

I would say just about every time he posts, it is to advertise his latest podcast or own work. He also usually includes an annoying logo in his posts. Many regulars at LF post links to their latest articles on occasion; the difference is, they're also actively participating in discussions and contributing to the intellectual atmosphere in the forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:42 am

Dylboz wrote:
Well, part of the smoke clearing was getting me booted from that forum. Like I said, I never posted, but I read the threads all the time, and I will miss it, because some real luminaries were conversating in there. Heinrich vouched for me, but I just cannot believe that my getting removed from the list immediately after that post was made by Stef (who also never posts there either, except to sell his fucking books) was some kind of coincidence. I am not going to ask anyone to re-admit me. I sure hope they didn't boot Conrad, because he was a real regular. Seems like a petty powerplay for Stef to try and get Conrad kicked off Kinsella's Libertarian Forum on Google groups, because like I said, he really was embarrassed by that community when he tried to go after Conrad. That was actually the source of the whole "Family Guy" controversy that resulted in my final break with Stef and FDR. I hate Stef's emoticons, they always seem so contrived and manipulative (that "smile" should have been a wink and a nod, like "after you ban all the people I don't like from here, maybe I'll come back and post,"). Blech.

dude, Kinsella read your post here and he said he never removed you from the list and that he can still see you in the membership list, so there may be a misunderstanding or technical issue
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PostSubject: Re: Stefan's article about LiberatingMinds and me   Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:56 am

Stewart wrote:
Hey Conrad, I'm sorry that Molyneux said some nasty things about you and portrayed you as a sort of simpering troll. You're a smart guy and you understand philosophy and economics far better than most people I've encountered. Molyneux is hardly more than a trivialized demagogue who feeds on children.

But I think that's your problem, right there. Not that you're a child, of course. But you're still feeding Molyneux in ways that are basically childish. You're kind of fixated on this guy, and you've got to let him go because he's only going to drag you down. To hell with this guy and his band of miserable toadies.

This website goes through its own phases, where we talk about some interesting philosophy, politics, and economics; and then something like the Guardian article pops up, and--WHOOSH--it's The Stefan Molyneux Show. It doesn't seem healthy.

I get it, though. I spent a lot of time fostering my own anti-FDR flame. But one day I looked out the window and realized, Freedomain Radio is wasting my life. It was a powerful moment for me. Despite that realization, I got pulled back into the drama--and occasionally still do. He doesn't have the same kind of hold on me anymore, though. I don't listen to his podcasts, I don't read his forums, and I don't care about his followers or his cheap, stolen philosophies. I've heard and read everything he has to offer, and so have you. Do yourself a favor and don't waste on more time on this guy.

yeah, those are good points.

the odd thing is that by doing this Stef has only increased the incentive for me to prove that FDR is a cult or to see it go down since that would sort of undermine his attack on me. That said, you are right about only getting dragged down with him.

Anyway, lemme say one thing though: What I object to most in Stef's post here is his attempt to make me look like an anti-semite.

Stef knows as well as anybody else that a charge of anti-semitism is ruinous for somebody's career etc. So he copy-pastes from a section of our Forum called 'rant and vent' where the whole purpose is to come up with the most outlandish insults, and what could be more outlandish than anti-Semitic insults?

To be sure, I am not an anti-semite. Hell, some of my favorite Israeli's are Jewish...*

See, now I can't even make jokes like that anymore. In seriousness though, some of my best friends have been Jewish. Of course that all changed when I learned the truth about the Holocaust...

See, even silly revisionist jokes like that are now out of the question.

Anyway, I'm not in any way anti-semitic and if Stef had any real quotes that would prove I was he would have undoubtedly used them.

Stef also leaves out the hundreds and hundreds of pages on LM with careful analysis of what is going on at FDR and instead just copy-pastes only the insults etc.

* the variations on this theme are endless as you can see
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