The Promise and Failure of UPB--the Inside Story

QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

ReIgNoFrAdNeSs wrote:

I look forward to part two.

Thanks for mentioning me (anonymously).

I'm breathing a sigh of relief that you approve, because I don't think I can tell the "aftermath" part of the story without discussing your hilarious "Amazing Randi" challenge! Hope you don't mind.

Where did I mention you?

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QuestEon wrote:

Where did I mention you?

"Recently, when someone asked for clarification on his forum, he gave the curt reply, 'I have never seen a UPB discussion work out well on a Board, the concepts are too slippery for this format, and everyone always just ends up frustrated. I invite the OP to call into the Sunday show, 4pm EST, to ask these questions directly…'"

That 'someone' was me (masquerading as a female named katietron).

Dylboz · Number of posts: 2014 Registration date: 2007-09-20

I missed the great QuestEon.

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Danny Shahar · Number of posts: 948 Registration date: 2007-12-30

Oh goodness.

Okay, I guess I'm interested in hearing about my rise and fall...make with the part II!

Static4367

Great work QuestEon.

The claim that he was rejected for philosophy PhD programs jumped out at me. I hadn't heard that before. Do you have a reference for that or that common knowledge among everyone else?

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Static4367 wrote:

Great work QuestEon.

The claim that he was rejected for philosophy PhD programs jumped out at me. I hadn't heard that before. Do you have a reference for that or that common knowledge among everyone else?

I've heard it too. It's in a podcast somewhere. His grades in his third year were too low, he said. Not sure if it was a philosophy rather than a history PhD though. His MA is in history.

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QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

ReIgNoFrAdNeSs wrote:

That 'someone' was me (masquerading as a female named katietron).

Oh, I remember reading about the katietron thing. Good show on that! I originally had another one of his refusals slotted in there, but then I remembered that "too slippery" line and searched for that. It seemed odd for a man who believes his words have so much power. I'm glad you made an early appearance in the story, but there is more to come...

Dylboz wrote:

I missed the great QuestEon.

It was probably selfish of me--I check here often so I always know what my pals are doing, but for a while I just quit logging in--because then I'd spend hours talking. Unfortunately, I was falling behind in my work because I was already spending so much time on Resident Evil, etc. (so addictive...)

Danny Shahar wrote:

Okay, I guess I'm interested in hearing about my rise and fall...make with the part II!

In your patience possess ye your souls. (Luke 21:19) Cool

Contrad wrote:

Static4367 wrote:

Great work QuestEon.

The claim that he was rejected for philosophy PhD programs jumped out at me. I hadn't heard that before. Do you have a reference for that or that common knowledge among everyone else?

I've heard it too. It's in a podcast somewhere. His grades in his third year were too low, he said. Not sure if it was a philosophy rather than a history PhD though. His MA is in history.

Molyneux is such a bottomless well--the more you learn, the deeper you fall into his psyche. For example, I do have a quote from him saying that his advisor didn't recommend him for the doctoral program, so he does take it personally. I might trot that all out in another article one day BECAUSE.....

...while Molyneux rages against his mother, he says less about his father (except to describe him as an "evil man.") Yet, I wonder if his father issues run far, far deeper than people realize.

Molyneux's father was not only an academic, he was a very well-respected academic. I don't have the date when his father divorced his mother, but Molyneux's half-sister (from the second marriage) was born when he was 11, so you can fix the separation at some point earlier than that.

During Molyneux's formative years--both before and after the divorce, his father was on the other side of the world and apparently showed interest only in his own career. So Molyneux's rage isn't simply at his satanic mother, but also that his uncaring father "abandoned" him to her. (Hmmm...one parent serving the child up to the satanic other parent--ring any bells?)

So take that forward--Molyneux was personally rejected by academia, just as his respected academic father personally rejected him years earlier.

Think that didn't throw another log or two onto the narcissist fire burning inside...?

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nelle · Number of posts: 482 Registration date: 2009-02-09

So creepy..........yet explains so much. Whoa.....
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Patience · Number of posts: 367 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26

QuestEon wrote:

(Hmmm...one parent serving the child up to the satanic other parent--ring any bells?)

Yes, thanks for reminding me of that line, as if I could ever forget.

Niall · Number of posts: 29 Registration date: 2009-05-10

It does seem that underlining all the intellectual posturing of Molyneux and his barbaric approach to psychology are deep seated feelings of resentment and a wish to gain revenge.

Maybe it has been done, but it would be interesting if practicing psychologist could do a profile on the man. He certainly comes across as a very disturbed individual.

QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Quit yer grinnin' and drop yer linen!

Part 2 is up. Please let me know what you think!

(Surprise inside for Stewart!)

Part 2--The rise and fall of Danny Shahar

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Conrad

that's excellent QuestEon and I'm glad you found those quotes from that podcast. there;'s also one where he compares Danny's criticism of UPB to somebody criticising the font that Einstein used for his article about relativity theory .

Don't have time to comment more today or tomorrow as I'll be stepping on a plane tomorrow morning to fly to my baby, and have some stuff to do here still.

one comment though, I think you misunderstood the bit where Stefan says something about Stewart not being an academic: I think Stefan meant it more like 'He's a condescending douche and he's not even an academic!' (in the sense of 'I could understand why he's a condescending douche if he's an academic, but he's not one and he's still a douche!'. So he didnt mean it, I think, in the sense that Stewart is not allowed to criticise him because Stewart is not an academic

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Dylboz · Number of posts: 2014 Registration date: 2007-09-20

Is that last transcript about a "bitchy ethicsist" not the most egregious example of blatant hypocrisy you've ever seen? What could possibly be more bitchy and unethical than that?

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nelle · Number of posts: 482 Registration date: 2009-02-09

I love hearing the real truth. Thank you QuestEon. Fabulous work!

cheers

KarenX · Number of posts: 71 Registration date: 2009-02-24

How did you get all those chat transcripts?