The Promise and Failure of UPB--the Inside Story

Stewart · Number of posts: 1186 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-03

QuestEon wrote:

Few people have paid Molyneux’s thinking as much critical attention as Danny Shahar. No one has written more about Molyneux’s ideas.

If that's true, I think you're well on your way to stealing his title Smile

Dylboz wrote:

Is that last transcript about a "bitchy ethicsist" not the most egregious example of blatant hypocrisy you've ever seen? What could possibly be more bitchy and unethical than that?

I guess Molyneux thinks that being bitchy is counter to the goal of ethics. He thinks ethics are just a bunch of rules that philosophers are trying to ferret out of the ether. He really has no idea what he's talking about. His life now is speaking nonsense to misguided sycophants who don't know any better.

Oops, was that bitchy?

QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

KarenX wrote:

How did you get all those chat transcripts?

I was there. Back when the chat room was open and I thought something big/juicy was going on, I'd hang out and save the logs. I have a number of them and now I just save them for special occasions. Very Happy

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Bigus Dickus · Number of posts: 362 Location: Brazil Registration date: 2008-06-06

Stefan Molyneux wrote:

Because if you’re not excited (about UPB) then you’re a tool, right? Frankly, if you’re not excited about that then, that’s like saying, well, you know, this theory of evolution is really good, but there’s some gaps in it…

damn, this is pure gold

Danny Shahar · Number of posts: 948 Registration date: 2007-12-30

Just a few notes for accuracy's sake:

1) I will actually begin my graduate coursework in philosophy this fall. At the time I began engaging Stefan's ideas, I was still working on my bachelor's degree.

2) I explained my take on Stefan's feelings towards me here on FDR.

Aside from those things, I just wanted to thank you for being gentle, and for all the incredibly nice things you said in your article. I actually hadn't been aware of most of the behind-the-scenes me-bashing that went on; that was rather shocking to read, to be honest. But what can I say, right? I mean, "how can you srsly claim to be a bitchy ethicist?" seemingly applies here. I don't think I deserved the way he acted, and I suppose that's sufficient for my purposes.

Danny Shahar · Number of posts: 948 Registration date: 2007-12-30

Oof...looking at the beginning of that thread on FDR in with the Molyneux Project was introduced, that's G.A. Cohen's book, not G.A. Moore's book that I was looking forward to reading! How embarrassing! G.E. Moore, of course, is a famous philosopher as well, but in a totally different area...

nelle · Number of posts: 482 Registration date: 2009-02-09

When looking over the posts when Danny was a member at FDR, you will see that he consistently exhibited respect, curiosity, sincerity, and had the best of intentions. Danny is someone who's virtue is not just skin deep (or on the board only), but who is a genuinely ethical person. He refuses to ever malign Molyneux on a personal level, but keeps his opinions academic and professional. Even in private conversations, I know this to be true. The chatroom antics at Danny's expense were certainly uncalled for.

Stewart · Number of posts: 1186 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-03

nelle, I think the chatroom antics you're referring to are at my expense, not Danny's.

nelle · Number of posts: 482 Registration date: 2009-02-09

Hi Stewart. Yes, perhaps I should have said pocasts and chatroom quote. The blog quotes are terrible, and probably worse than the chatroom quote. The chatroom quote that I am looking at right now is the first one in QuestEon's piece that begins with Stef quoting Danny and making fun of him being an honors philosophy student....ending with "sing with me.....oooobfuscation time....come on!" Nasty stuff. Then I see the next chatroom quote is referring to you. That is terrible as well, and equally undeserved.

QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

nelle wrote:

The chatroom quote that I am looking at right now is the first one that begins with Stef quoting Danny...Then I see the next chatroom quote is referring to you.

It would seem that Molyneux is an equal-opportunity bitchy ethicist.

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QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Stewart wrote:

QuestEon wrote:

Few people have paid Molyneux’s thinking as much critical attention as Danny Shahar. No one has written more about Molyneux’s ideas.

If that's true, I think you're well on your way to stealing his title Smile

QEFTW!!!!!!!!

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QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Danny Shahar wrote:

2) I explained my take on Stefan's feelings towards me here on FDR.

Aside from those things, I just wanted to thank you for being gentle, and for all the incredibly nice things you said in your article. I actually hadn't been aware of most of the behind-the-scenes me-bashing that went on; that was rather shocking to read, to be honest. But what can I say, right? I mean, "how can you srsly claim to be a bitchy ethicist?" seemingly applies here. I don't think I deserved the way he acted, and I suppose that's sufficient for my purposes.

Thank you very much. I try keep my little analyses fair. I remember that post you're referring to now--it was another typically classy response from you (which often reveal more about Molyneux than posts that attack him).

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QuestEon · Number of posts: 552 Registration date: 2008-03-25

Danny Shahar wrote:

Oof...looking at the beginning of that thread on FDR in with the Molyneux Project was introduced, that's G.A. Cohen's book, not G.A. Moore's book that I was looking forward to reading! How embarrassing! G.E. Moore, of course, is a famous philosopher as well, but in a totally different area...

Dumbass.

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Danny Shahar · Number of posts: 948 Registration date: 2007-12-30

Niall · Number of posts: 29 Registration date: 2009-05-10

Yes, we should picked up on that and share Danny's embarrassment.

NonEntity · Number of posts: 2598 Registration date: 2007-11-08

"... we should picked up ..." ???

I think my entire time/space continuum just interfluctuated.

- NonE Smile