Since KarenX seems to think that vaccinations are pretty good things, and everything I've been reading of late seems contrary to that opinion, I thought I'd post this information which came to me today which seems to be well researched and documented. For those who care to examine the material, go here: Natural News article with copious links and sources.

Natural News wrote:

Vaccines are the quackery of modern medicine. Mass vaccination programs not only fail to protect the population from infectious disease, they actually accelerate the spread of disease in many cases. Many website have cropped up over the last few years to counter the pro-vaccine propaganda put out by drug companies (who profit from vaccines) and health regulators (who serve the drug companies). One of those sites is www.VaccinationDebate.com , which lists the following historical facts about vaccines: • In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555) • In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/020...) The Hadwen Documents • In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen) • In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990) • In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )

and on and on...

Njoy!

- NonE

I don't think that Natural News, owned by Truth Publishing International (out of Taiwan), owned by Mike Adams, a self-proclaimed nutritionist with his own products to sell, is a very reliable source of information about epidemics or vaccines. Also, thirty-year-old statements to support his version of events is not very impressive--and any disease data from WWII in Germany is unreliable and anomalous.

Regarding the 1990 quote: It's from a Dr. H Albonico, who is only cited in that exact same sentence all over the web, with no first name or affiliation or any record online at all except for this very quote, and it directly contracts information from 2003, from the Journal of Infectious Diseases--a peer-reviewed publication--that says the following:

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By review of available literature, routine surveillance data, coverage surveys, and hospital records, measles control in Ghana was assessed since vaccinations began in 1978. Nationally, measles vaccination coverage increased from 24% in 1980 to 84% in 2000. This achievement is attributed to health sector reforms that included a higher district share of the total recurrent health budget from 20% in 1996 to 42% in 1999. The budget reallocation resulted in improved access to immunization services, supply procurement, transport management, staff motivation, and information flow. On the client side, the age of the child, socioeconomic status of parents, and type of prenatal care were associated with vaccination coverage. Routine vaccination coverage of >80% has resulted in lower measles incidence, a longer interepidemic interval, and a shift in cases to older children. Ghana recently developed a strategic plan to reduce measles deaths to near zero.

Regarding Dr. Jonas Salk: The number of polio cases from 1951 to 1955 was 37,864. From 1961 to 1965--after they perfected the vaccine--there were 570 cases, or a decrease of 99.98 %. Those people Jonas Salk was talking about probably did get polio from the vaccine. It's a known--and publicized--side effect. And before anyone brings it up, polio was not on a natural decline before the vaccine was developed.

If you want to have a real conversation about vaccines, you need real information. For the record, I am not going to lay out the case point by point for it. I am not even going to debate point by point over it, either. Call that what you want--cowardice, laziness, denial, whatever. But please be aware of what constitutes a good source of information and what constitutes facts when you set out to make a case.

I didn't set out to make a case. I simply pointed out that there is another view and here is one source of information for those who care to investigate that view.

Perhaps you failed to notice the part where I said... "For those who care to examine..."

- NonE

For your perusal (from Dr. Mercola)...

Warning: Swine Flu Shot Linked to Killer Nerve Disease

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More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.

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A warning that the swine flu vaccine has been linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the UK Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter. The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, was leaked to The Daily Mail, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins. more...

- NonE

I had missed that part about Britney Spears...

Thanks!!!

- NonE

I dunno if all vaccines are bad, but there is certainly evidence of bad side effects from some vaccines. Given the circumstances with swine flu and the vaccine, I think it is more reasonable for me to avoid getting the shot.

I don't want to end up walking backwards!

Yeah, yeah. I know this in particular is a very rare case, but there is certainly evidence of other bad side effects from government vaccines.