Guardian article by Kate Hilpern on FDR induced defoo

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Guardian article by Kate Hilpern on FDR induced defoo:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/nov/15/family-relationships-fdr-defoo-cult

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SM BS wrote:

simply reminds people "that our family relationships are voluntary and you should really work, if you're unhappy in these relationships, to improve the quality of those relationships - but to remember they do remain voluntary. And that gives people the motivation, I think, to try to improve them. But if you can't improve them - and we can't change other people, as we all know - for sure you should have the option to disengage."

I have never heard that advice offered. I wonder if any of the other cirque de Stef's can provide evidence otherwise. I doubt it....

Overall a reasonable article... with a nice undertone of the deceptiveness that is SM BS.

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Oh .... good job on putting yourself out there Patience. You certainly have "balls" and I think somewhere deep down your son Tom will be very impressed. After all you received more air time than SM BS .... If Tom is as smart as you say, (and I think he is) he will be scratching his head at SM BS's comments.

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ExyPhylo wrote:

SM BS wrote:

simply reminds people "that our family relationships are voluntary and you should really work, if you're unhappy in these relationships, to improve the quality of those relationships - but to remember they do remain voluntary. And that gives people the motivation, I think, to try to improve them. But if you can't improve them - and we can't change other people, as we all know - for sure you should have the option to disengage."

I have never heard that advice offered. I wonder if any of the other cirque de Stef's can provide evidence otherwise. I doubt it....

Overall a reasonable article... with a nice undertone of the deceptiveness that is SM BS.

Uh, where is that in the article, I don't remember reading that and I can't seem to find it.

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12th paragraph from the bottom.

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Kate Hilpern wrote:

And although he and his wife (both of whom have deFOOd) are expecting a baby in December, he says on the website: "Deep down I do not believe that there are any really good parents out there - the same way that I do not believe there were any really good doctors in the 10th century."

I'm so glad she found that quote. I knew he had said that, but could never find it again. Puts the lie to his claim that he is only trying to 'improve' families.

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reddeerrick wrote:

Kate Hilpern wrote:

And although he and his wife (both of whom have deFOOd) are expecting a baby in December, he says on the website: "Deep down I do not believe that there are any really good parents out there - the same way that I do not believe there were any really good doctors in the 10th century."

I'm so glad she found that quote. I knew he had said that, but could never find it again. Puts the lie to his claim that he is only trying to 'improve'

and this.....

Kate wrote:

Molyneux, a 42-year-old former actor and IT worker.

.....< love this - finally someone speaks the truth.

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But he's a "philosopher," really!

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reddeerrick wrote:

I'm so glad she found that quote. I knew he had said that, but could never find it again....

Sometimes help comes from unexpected places. :-)

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ExyPhylo wrote:

12th paragraph from the bottom.

Thanks, I went back and read a few paragraphs I inadvertently skipped, I think I scrolled too far the first go 'round. I'll read it again when I get home, more dispassionately, so I can see where I think good points for further investigation and follow up are.

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Dylboz wrote:

But he's a "philosopher," really!

Yes, and reason and evidence are so awesome and dreamy that you should grab your young self, shove him in your heart, and go give philosophy a big hug!

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