Interesting that mack is assuming you are a dad Dyl, don't you think? Man. Just goes once again to show that you are making huge assumptions concerning people that you know nothing about, mackerman.

Yeah. I understand he has a terrible history with his own parents, but like Moly, he assumes everyone is the same, and treats everyone else the same way he's been treated. That is a totally invalid assumption. I do feel sorry for him, but I don't think FDR is going to actually help him in any meaningful way.

Still, I just don't like trolls, no matter what their history.

[quote="mackerman"]

The mistake you guys are doing here is to appeal to emotion.

Stefan's philosophy is based on rationality, but all you guys are doing is appealing to emotion.


It is very interesting mackerman that you are a supporter of fdr, yet you do not believe in discussing emotions. Isn't the basis of RTR -being open to discussing feelings and emotions honestly?

If you wish, let's discuss evidence and reason. Do you have evidence for any of the accusations that you have leveled against us here? I am, in fact, not a defooed parent, and neither is Dyl. Does that surprise you? Perhaps you should get your facts straight. You discuss Jesus pretty freely, as if we are all Christian here, when in fact most here are not religious at all. You seem to assume you know how we feel about defooing, but in fact most members here do not believe that anyone should remain in a genuinely abusive relationship. We also know however, that in many cases the defoo incidents alleged by fdr members have been greatly exaggerated or have not happened.

Most all of the members of limi are successful and contributing members of society who have great relationships with the people who surround them. By contrast however, most of the more prominent members of fdr have alienated themselves from the majority of people who have cared about them the most, and are struggling to succeed in the world.

The posts that you have made on this forum would not be well tolerated at fdr, considering that they have been rude, aggressive, and entirely unsupported by evidence. I still don't have a clear understanding of how you are a devoted fdr member, and yet you deemed it somehow important to come here and post these thoughts.

We have free speech here at limi, which is clearly an advantage. You are welcome to say whatever you like, as others are welcome to say whatever they like to you, kind or not so kind. That is the open nature of this forum that I am proudly a part of.

I wish you well in healing from your past (which you clearly have not been able to to do as of yet) and moving forward with you life.

nelle

Well, sorry guys, if my angry rant chased this guy off, but I was frankly getting sick of him beating up on Patience and Waiting in lieu of expressing these feelings to his OWN parents. I didn't think the conversation was going to be very productive as long as he was burning them in effigy, making all kinds of erroneous assumptions, and just like Stef, acting as though all parents are like horror movie cardboard cut-outs: one dimensional, cruel, morally crippled and incapable of genuine feelings of empathy or understanding for their children.

Maybe if he does come back, I'll try to stay out of it and let nelle handle the exchange. Though, you know how I am when I get angry...

Dyl - If he left, it wasn't because of you. It was his own choice.

Betcha a dollar he's already writing his first FDR post about "Conrad's hate site".....

Probably. He had his own pre-conceived agenda before he ever wrote a word here, and didn't really listen with an open mind to anything anyone here said.

Mackerman made some good points about how it is essential for parents and other defooed people to understand what drew their children or other loved ones to FDR and to realize that there are also good things about FDR, some of which you don't often hear anywhere else.

But if he had been a bit more familiar with LiberatingMinds he would have known that many people on LM have been saying the same thing, such as here (esp. the posts lower down) and that there has exact;ly been an awful lot of rational discussion of Molyneux' philosophical and psychological ideas rather than just emotional pleas and statements and what not.

"Another thing I have noticed(I just landed here from google so I had no idea about the rest of the forum), but this is a community where parents and family of people listening to FDR gather around and validate each other that none of them did anything wrong with their parenting, its all Stefan's fault to fill their kid's mind with evil stuff."
That's just nonsense. There are quite a few people on LM who have engaged in honest and open and sometimes painful discussion about their own parenting and what not. Moreover, other LM'ers have at times expressed strong or even very strong criticism of parents.

re QuestEon's point about what LM is about: I think you understate the importance and extent of FDR discussion and overstate the importance and extent of philosophical discussion on LM.

carry on.