bearded spock and dash in the same thread after raising valid points...

http://freedomainradio.com/board/forums/p/18246/149017.aspx#149017

How do you know they were banned?

it's interesting that PCRS (the guy who sent my boss an e-mail) has started to ask Stef some tough questions about Stef's arguments against determinism and for free will, and that others have joined in.

I am not certain if this is noted elsewhere but ... Aaron 0883 is banned too.

Dash.. Wilt's kindred spirt? NO! can't be!

Wow, it is pretty scummy to get all indignant and demand evidence (that he's carefully and thoroughly removed!) and then ban them so they couldn't post it even if they had it (and of course, he invalidated the only reliable source for it, which is us and Free Radical's map). Now, of course, it looks like they just got pwned, but it just ain't so.

Somehow my IP ban was lifted I can see FDR again.

fascinating account of Dash's brief experiences on FDR

brief part of it:

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Only when I logged into gmail, I found a letter from Stefan himself waiting for me. It seems some of the chat room participants had talked to Stefan about the chat, and had told him about the trauma I had experienced. Stefan was horrified! He said he sympathized with me very much, but the severity of the trauma was too great for the FDR community. So he was deleting my account. He said he thought I should go into therapy for at least 6 months in order to deal with the trauma. He wished me well, and said I should contact him after I had done the 6 months of therapy, he was interested in how it would go. What an overreaction. First of all the experience I had shared occured in 1995, 13 years ago and change. It's all water under the bridge. And as traumatic experiences go, it's pretty tame. It's not like your cherished uncle raping you. Nothing like that. Yes, a bit of violence was involved. But in the grand scheme of things it just wasn't that big a deal. No lasting physical harm was done, and I believe I'm over the trauma of the experience. Indeed it took only several months to get past it at the time. Life goes on. Strange things happen. Ok, but don't live your life shell shocked and dwelling on the negatives. Accept that bad stuff occurs, and try to learn from it, and get back to what's important. Only Stefan didn't see it that way. To his thinking, evidently, the severity of the experience disqualifies me from membership in his community. How odd, eh? So I did send a few emails to him, including the one I had composed where I disagreed with his thesis about my parents not accepting me. I encouraged him to review the chat log himself, and that his decision seemed to be excessive. Deleting my account because I had the nerve to talk about a past personal experience? I don't know, the reaction does seem very inappropriate even now.

You beat me to the punch. The best (read: craziest) part is definitely this:

Dash wrote:

It seems some of the chat room participants had talked to Stefan about the chat, and had told him about the trauma I had experienced. Stefan was horrified! He said he sympathized with me very much, but the severity of the trauma was too great for the FDR community. So he was deleting my account. He said he thought I should go into therapy for at least 6 months in order to deal with the trauma.

I'm curious about what the trauma itself was, but it's sort of immaterial. "Sir, your life has been too hard for you to participate in my website. Sorry, but you know, it's dinner party rules..."

Apparently he doesn't let people who have actual experience with actual trauma into his exclusive dinner party.

he also writes:

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So my search continues for an online community that is truly open and populated by rational free thinking individuals. FDR 'aint it, that's for sure.

ehm...