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Conrad



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PostSubject: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:16 am

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Libertarians spend their lives accurately predicting the future effects of government policy. Their predictions are accurate because they are derived from Hayek’s insights into the limitations of human knowledge, from the recognition that the people who comprise the government respond to incentives just like anyone else and are not magically transformed to selfless agents of the good merely by accepting government employment, from the awareness that for government to provide a benefit to some, it must first take it from others, and from the knowledge that politicians cannot repeal the laws of economics. For the same reason, their predictions are usually negative and utterly inconsistent with the utopian wishful-thinking that lies at the heart of virtually all contemporary political advocacy. And because no one likes to hear that he cannot have his cake and eat it too or be told that his good intentions cannot be translated into reality either by waving a magic wand or by passing legislation, these predictions are greeted not merely with disbelief, but with derision.

It is human nature to want to shoot the messenger bearing unwelcome tidings. And so, for the sin of continually pointing out that the emperor has no clothes, libertarians are attacked as heartless bastards devoid of compassion for the less fortunate, despicable flacks for the rich or for business interests, unthinking dogmatists who place blind faith in the free market, or, at best, members of the lunatic fringe.

Cassandra’s curse was to always tell the truth about the future, but never be believed. If you add to that curse that she would be ridiculed, derided, and shunned for making her predictions, you have a pretty fair approximation of what it feels like to be a libertarian.

If you’d like a taste of what it feels like to be a libertarian, try telling people that the incoming Obama Administration is advocating precisely those aspects of FDR’s New Deal that prolonged the great depression for a decade; that propping up failed and failing ventures with government money in order to save jobs in the present merely shifts resources from relatively more to relatively less productive uses, impedes the corrective process, undermines the economic growth necessary for recovery, and increases unemployment in the long term; and that any "economic" stimulus package will inexorably be made to serve political rather than economic ends, and see what kind of reaction you get. And trust me, it won’t feel any better five or ten years from now when everything you have just said has been proven true and Obama, like FDR, is nonetheless revered as the savior of the country.
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:05 am

This is why I stay away from talking off-topic like politics, economics or even daily happenings and present history with people I associate with for purpose of recreation.

The gaming groups are just people I play games with.
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:41 pm

I don't talk to most people about politics because they're just parroting something they heard, and don't even understand their own argument much less mine. Not only does this make the debate pointless in terms of resolution, also nobody learns anything from it.

I never thought Charles Murray's brand of 'libertarianism' was particularly astute or even historically accurate; but I suppose that's about as 'radical' as the CATO crowd ever gets.
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:16 pm

That's why it's great to have a light hearted disposition.
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:41 am

T.E.M. wrote:
That's why it's great to have a light hearted disposition.

the joyous libertarian
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:18 am

Do i have to call myself a Libertarian? I am reluctant to associate myself with any group, since members always seem to disagree on exactly what they are, as if they own the title. Also, I want to remain mysterious (especially to government spies)...
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:33 am

NadineLeBean wrote:
Do i have to call myself a...
To whom are you addressing this question, your slave masters?

- NonE
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:10 am

Is this suppose to be hostile? Smile
Are you angry with me because i eat meat? Smile
I mean no harm...
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:13 am

Not at all.

It's just a question. It seems strange that you should have to go to another to ask permission to be who you are, and I thought my question might stimulate some thought about that.

Dat's all. ;-)

I don't allow others to define me. I'm me. That's all.

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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:29 am

NadineLeBean wrote:
Is this suppose to be hostile? Smile
Are you angry with me because i eat meat? Smile

He's just a crusty curmudgeon old fart when he's not getting any --which = none anytime when he's responding.* Wink

Hang in there with him though. I now do consider him most often to be akin to swallowing one of those doctor prescribed horse pills --where if you prevail through, you'll often benefit some time later from it. The 'pill' may come across as rough, but the ingredients often prove helpful.


* takes one to know one...
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:37 am

My question was actually asked because of another website...

eye2i2 > my son is laughing at your picture...I am laughing at your words.
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:54 am

NadineLeBean wrote:
My question was actually asked because of another website...

Do tell?? Link, perhaps?

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eye2i2 > my son is laughing at your picture...I am laughing at your words.

[scratching my head here, wondering how he got one of my pictures, in which any & all of 'em indeed, I look funny...]

Ok, silliness aside, did he laff at my avatar (that "me" picture) or one of the smilies?
Just curious as to which he got a kick out of.
Some enjoy collecting and entertaining with their coin collection, me, I do that with animations/pixels (and hope to "communicate" now and then as well).
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:36 am

The picture pf the cat on the litter box
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:02 am

Make sure you check out what the cat is reading. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What it feels like to be a libertarian   Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:51 am

EMC wrote:
Make sure you check out what the cat is reading...

here (in all his glory)
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