Well, it has arrived, in the Netherlands.

some 3 year old punk kid that came from Mexico brought it to Amsterdam 4 days ago.

I guess it's a good time to not be a Mexican! hurrah!

I'm heading to El Paso for work early next week. I'm really looking forward to being close to the Jaurez drug wars and the Swine Flu capital of the world.

If I catch the flu down there, I'm just going to require my company to give me extra PTO days since it was their fault I got it in the first place.

I have a hard time listening to more than about 5 minutes of Alex Jones at a time, but I have found that he gets his facts right as far as I can tell. He had some guy on talking about the 1918 flu epidemic (which killed my grandfather) saying that it was engineered by means of a vacination given to military people of some sort, and spread from there. In other words, the government was trying to create a vaccine and fucked up royally. I have no idea whether or not this is true, and I've never heard it before, but it is an interesting theory to keep your ears open for, for whatever interest value it may have. Another reason to be very suspicious about getting vaccinated, as well.

Supposedly there will be more info on this on InfoWars.com when the info is passed to the right person.

- NonE

My Google-fu turns up no such evidence. Wikipedia talked about the WWI draft process being a possible method of spreading, and that genetic drift might have caused the outbreak to originate in a military base. But the sources I found indicate that there is no concensus on how the disease originated. There were a few people (who weren't scientists) who claimed that vaccines or the government caused the 1918 flu, but it's such a fringe idea without any scientific or primary source documentation that I can't take it seriously. One woman (here)simply claimed (writing in the 1970s) that only people who got the vaccine came down with the flu. Check out her whole book (available at the link) for a summary of lots of anti-vax quackery. The woman is even worried about our precious bodily fluids being ruined by flouridation. Of course, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, so just because she's nutty in one area doesn't mean she's wrong all around. I just don't find it credible.

I don't argue that he deals in speculation, is a fear monger and a god freak, but the actual data that he presents is generally well documented if not common knowledge.

On another level, there is an excellent article by Dr. Mercola on the swine flu thing today. I don't buy all of Mercola either, but do consider him well worth reading and considering.

- NonE

I really don't care to argue Alex Jones. I find him obnoxious and bad for anyone's mental health. He DOES point to some things which are factually true however, and this may be one of them. That's all I wanted to say. I've read so much by seemingly credible people on the dangers of vaccines that this bit of information just appeared to me to be worthy of possible further examination as a data point in the vaccine discussion.

OKAY???

- NonE

Perhaps I should have used a different word than "engineered." I did not mean that a global pandemic was intentionally created. Rather, I meant that perhaps a human designed program created a disaster which would most likely not have occured without the intentional intursion of man into the process of viral evolution and exposure.

And on that note, I think I'll defoo from interaction with you on this subject.

- NonE