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 | | Subject: Re: Right Discipline vs. Right Spirit Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:49 am | |
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Stef's UPB (if correct) btw only addresses a small subclass of actions, namely no violence, but when it comes to all the tricky moral choices we have to make in real life (e.g. drugs, faking friendliness, being arrogant, prostitution, etc. etc.), let alone when it comes to every single action, it has nothing to say about it, so even there we are left in the dark |
That's my problem with Stef's UPB and a lot of other libertarians that make morality sound insignificant hence my gravitating towards the Aristotelians endorsement of virtue and practical wisdom. I'm pretty sure Stef is wrong on this issue. I actually don't have a logical explanation as to why, it just feels as if Stef's argument is wrong (It really annoys me that Stef tries to force everyone's argument into a self destructive paradox...maybe that's what bothers me). |
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Conrad
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| | Subject: Re: Right Discipline vs. Right Spirit Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:02 am | |
| | normaltim wrote: | | Conrad wrote: |
Stef's UPB (if correct) btw only addresses a small subclass of actions, namely no violence, but when it comes to all the tricky moral choices we have to make in real life (e.g. drugs, faking friendliness, being arrogant, prostitution, etc. etc.), let alone when it comes to every single action, it has nothing to say about it, so even there we are left in the dark |
That's my problem with Stef's UPB and a lot of other libertarians that make morality sound insignificant hence my gravitating towards the Aristotelians endorsement of virtue and practical wisdom. I'm pretty sure Stef is wrong on this issue. |
and you'd think with the Aristotelian influence on Rand and Rand's influence on Stef he'd be positively inclined to this. The problem with the Aristotelian point of view in Stef's eyes I think is that it is not simple: it doesnt allow for morality to be a science, let alone a logical (and hence necessarily true) science. Moreover, as you also allude to it cannot be used as a club to batter disagreers with, in the form of logical paradoxes. Still, Hoppe's argumentation ethics argument does seem strong to me and if it is true then at least libertarianism is proven true. But yeah, that still does not addresses al the other aspects of our life that we can rightly call ethical.
| Quote: | | I actually don't have a logical explanation as to why, it just feels as if Stef's argument is wrong (It really annoys me that Stef tries to force everyone's argument into a self destructive paradox...maybe that's what bothers me). |
a feeling eh? dont let Stef hear that! ;-)
well, gut feelings can be important, or they can indicate defense mechanisms, so eh, if you want to go find out which one it is, please report back to me ;-) |
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| | Subject: Re: Right Discipline vs. Right Spirit Tue May 20, 2008 9:44 am | |
| I have found that we would be equally happy if we did nothing at all. What seems to happen is we get over taken by what it is expected of us in this day and era and our lives have become too hectic. Stay home and make love. Discipline and my rights. |
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