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Bigus Dickus

Number of posts: 369 Location: Brazil Registration date: 2008-06-05
 | Subject: Differences in sympathy towards animals Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:00 pm | |
| One thing that I find very interesting is, how we generally display different amounts of sympathy for different animals -for instance, the different treatments that are given to beetles and cockroaches, or between owls and vultures.
For example, I find myself having a considerable heart-tug towards a dog in pain, but I view pain in a mosquito much more as simply a biological survival device. Furthermore, I find it harder to have sympathy or respect towards animals that I perceive as having lesser self-preservation instincts, like moths, turkeys, cows, pandas, and flying insects that won't move when you swat them. I also have more respect for canine or feline infants than human ones, since babies are so goddamn dependant and disgusting. But maybe that's just me.
What about you folks? I'd particularly like to hear Stewart's take on this issue.
And FWIW, the whole animals/children subject is one of the things that originally turned me off in moral realism. |
|  | | Stewart

Number of posts: 1202 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-02
 | Subject: Re: Differences in sympathy towards animals Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:55 am | |
| I do treat animals with different levels of sympathy, although I'd like to think that I do it based more on material differences between the animals than on how I personally feel about them.
I save snails and worms from the sidewalk after it rains. I don't always save slugs, though. Part of that is because I can't grab a slug as easily as I can grab a snail or even a worm. Probably another part, though, is that I don't find slugs as aesthetically appealing.
Last night I found dozens of baby spiders in my bathroom. I let them be, but this morning when I took a shower I had to let one of them go down the drain. He was on my shampoo bottle, and I gave up on him after a very brief attempt to get him off safely. I'm glad that I'm not the sort of person who would indiscriminately drown a bunch of harmless spiders, but I'm also aware that it doesn't take a whole lot of incentive for me to put one under the faucet.
As far as comparing a dog and a mosquito, I think there are good, physical reasons why that isn't arbitrary. After all, we know with near-certainty when a dog is feeling pain, whereas I'm not even certain that mosquitos feel anything like pain, or even 'feel' anything at all. I like to err on the side of caution, but there's significantly more utility in helping dogs than mosquitos.
Cows and turkeys, though? I think you'd be surprised just how much preservation instinct they still have, despite the best breeding efforts of thousands of years of human intervention. And I wouldn't recommend trying to threaten a panda bear...
My interests are not in what the animals do, or how smart they are, or how much I like their appearance. Most of my interest lies in whether something I'm doing is causing them pain, or whether something I could be doing might help prevent or alleviate it. |
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 | Subject: Re: Differences in sympathy towards animals Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:31 am | |
| | Stewart wrote: | | My interests are not in what the animals do, or how smart they are, or how much I like their appearance. Most of my interest lies in whether something I'm doing is causing them pain, or whether something I could be doing might help prevent or alleviate it. |
Sounds like morality to me.
- NonE |
|  | | Stewart

Number of posts: 1202 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-02
 | Subject: Re: Differences in sympathy towards animals Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:56 am | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | Sounds like morality to me. |
What else would it be? 
I have a strong emotional sense not to inflict pain and suffering on other creatures, despite the practical and social costs to myself. I'd certainly describe that as a kind of moral sense.
But it's subjective at its core. I mean, very few people in the world share that sense with me. If I were to state my preference as a normative issue, as something they ought to do, most people would emphatically disagree. |
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 | Subject: Re: Differences in sympathy towards animals Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:18 am | |
| | Stewart wrote: | | If I were to state my preference as a normative issue, as something they ought to do, most people would emphatically disagree. |
"Ought" and "choose to" come from opposite ends of the spectrum. Neither one of them speaks to the issue at hand. To take an AynRandian view of it, the stuff we call "moral" seems to me to be life affirming and hence to be demostrably of value IF we value life. That "if" may be subjective, I guess, maybe... but I'm not sure how. I mean, it ain't subjective to one living it. (Well, except in certain instances like for instance one who is in great pain with no relief in sight, or maybe one who is a "citizen" or other slave, but aside from that...)
- NonE (dun blathering at the moment)
err. no i'm not...
I think I'm seeing "moral" as a choice of actions which are demonstrably of value given that one has a reverence for life and happiness and such. So in the grand scheme of the randomness of the universe, no - morality is simply another option, but relative to the living...
I shoulda shut up whilst I was ahead, shouldn't I have?  |
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