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PostSubject: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:36 pm

I've done it! I've finally done it! I have proven that God did not create the universe. Here is my syllogism:

a) God consists entirely of Plasmodium 5.

b) Plasmodium 5 did not form until 28 years AFTER the universe was generated.

c) Therefor, God could not possibly have created the universe. He wasn't even born yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:45 pm

mahn, even I can tell you're a false profit.

Everyone in any credible Circle knows its Plasmavisionium 5.1-0h

Not to mention, it was 82 gigawatts AFTER the universe was gyrated.

And God wasn't born, silly one. He was gizmoed.

Infidel.
(or if you prefer, Infantile? not to imply that latter puts you in the company of The Profit CT)
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:42 am

Monumental troll failure!! Back to first year undergraduate reading! [Although for some that might be too late!]
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:17 pm

CartesianTheist wrote:
Monumental troll failure!! Back to first year undergraduate reading! [Although for some that might be too late!]


I suppose that was a compliment, since people resort to insults when they are at a loss for an effective counter-argument.

My logic is flawless and you know it! Thanks for proving it.
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:34 pm

There was nothing 'logical' to respond to so what was anyone left with. I don't know what you mean by 'logic'? I guess you mean irrationality?
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:15 pm

CartesianTheist wrote:
There was nothing 'logical' to respond to so what was anyone left with. I don't know what you mean by 'logic'? I guess you mean irrationality?


If you feel my logic was invalid, please explain how. Simply claiming that it wasn't, accomplishes absolutely nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:20 pm

CartesianTheist wrote:
There was nothing 'logical' to respond to so what was anyone left with.

Wait, you were talking about your other post here, right? This one:

Quote:
1. Everything which has a beginning has a cause.

2. The universe began to exist.

3. The universe had a cause of its existence.


Yeah, that clears it up. drunken
[Conrad can move your errant post in this thread over to that one for you.]
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:26 pm

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CartesianTheist wrote:
There was nothing 'logical' to respond to so what was anyone left with.

Wait, you were talking about your other post here, right? This one:

Quote:
1. Everything which has a beginning has a cause.

2. The universe began to exist.

3. The universe had a cause of its existence.


Yeah, that clears it up. drunken
[Conrad can move your errant post in this thread over to that one for you.]


The difference between this syllogism and my proposed one is that mine has some rational, logical and empirical scientific reasons for following them. Reign yours does not have this. [Unless you're going to provide some reasoning unknown to the rest of the intellectual world - or dear - that's gonna bug eye - just as well he can read whatever he wants into the meaning of words eh - maybe he'll think it's a compliment?!]

Good to see the tag team back in the ring together again! Atheists United!
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:05 pm

CartesianTheist wrote:
Atheists United!

You keep using this word, AuthoritarianAcademaniac.
I've already told you it offends me.*
"swearing" at me; imagine that.
You 'should behave'.

[I'm 'almost certain' the reply will include: "I never called you an atheist"...] Rolling Eyes
If you don't think you have, do the math.

Oh, and as to this "United" business, I don't like RoR anyway. I'm not gettin' in his stinkin' corner as no team. He's a featherweight, just ask around.


*(not to mention, in spite of it's popularity, it's disingenuous, misleading, & contextually illogical)
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:11 pm

No, I am calling you an atheist now! Why not? I might mean by it something very different from how you, subjectively, are taking it and therefore you cannot make any assumptions that the two are the same.

Well, you and RoR certainly seem to be hand in hand quite often on my threads. That's all I was pointing out.

PS. I genuinely would stop calling you an atheist but you've given me nothing better than 'empirical' which, btw, you failed to define - I'm still awaiting... I think it's time for that Talking Heads song to play out loud...
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:51 pm

CartesianTheist wrote:
Why not?

Well as a godist you should behave (you know, and know how to, since that's all knowable from The Beginner...)

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PS. I genuinely would stop calling you an atheist but you've given me nothing better than 'empirical'

[instead of Talking Heads, queues up Paul Simon's "You Can Call Meeeeee Al..."]

How soon you forget.
Hint: it connects LOGICALLY with what is the most common English word* used. And why should I have to give it to you anyways? Ok, I was nice should behave and did it anyways.

If you're going to pigeon-hole I at least ask that you do such consistently (you know, what's common) --Praise Theos & Theos bless you & Theos bless the Queen ole chap. Bloody Sheol!

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which, btw, you failed to define - I'm still awaiting... I think it's time for that Talking Heads song to play out loud...

I did not define it, rather I mentioned that I was re-examining it for myself --in the likes of what you Pop-Circle boys might have added in to it, etc etc -and admittedly as well, I may have not understood regarding it.

"Burning Down The House" playing as we speak... 'er... type.


* and Theos damn it, I can just hear it now: "Theos IS English, you ridiculous clown! It's in the dictionary!! --totally missing the point"
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:22 pm

CartesianTheist wrote:
I might mean by it something very different from how you, subjectively, are taking it and therefore you cannot make any assumptions that the two are the same.

Superfluous. Reaching. Misdirection. see dodge.

Give example(s) of where either of us has given or accepted a meaning then switched subjectively (apart of course from trying to emphasis/demonstrate a point --which arguably, as professed teacher should be able to follow?)?

What I recall is more an insistent appeal regarding words too easily presumptive and/or too easily labels. No?

[RoR: forgive me ole team-mate-buddy-of-mine?!? mutual corner? I really don't not like you, I was just trying to make CT not feel ganged up on as he seemed to express] I love you

I love you ok, QuestEon/NonEntity, SEE?! the luv's back!?!?! I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:49 pm

Won't sumwon pleez teach Itwo some englitch?

Jeeeese

- NonE

luv's back? Zat have sumpthin' to do with spoonin'? Yoo hoo. Oh Stef man...
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:16 pm

And there was me silly enough to think any of the three big atheists [from now on I'll refer to them in short as The A-Team] would offer us any philosophical or scientific evidence or support for their lovely little syllogism?!?! Instead I'm the one getting accused of dodging? Go figure!! Nice load of rhetoric though - you almost misted the board up enough for us to forget that you havn't cited one reason to accept either of the first two premises. Try again!!! [If you can.]

PS. Bear with me on A-Team analogy. I'm yet to decide who's who. One things for sure the A-Team never hit anyone with their bullets which seems relevant. We just need a fourth! Get thinking guys!! "If no one else can help. Maybe you can hire THE A-TEAM. Duh, duh, duh,duh...
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PostSubject: Re: Proof God Did NOT Create The Universe   Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:15 am

In CT's first thread, I think I mentioned that I've noticed debates on theism tend to degenerate in petty semantic disputes... maybe I should become a prophet of sorts... [passes around collection plate]

I'll simply make the point that "god," (or "theos," "deus," "bog," "Gott," etc.) is not necessarily a meaningless word.

The contention has been made that it is a meaningless word, and thus theism cannot be true since it is inherently and unavoidably meaningless. I see no evidence that it is inherently impossible to define God-- I've tried to do so myself with something along the lines of "a sentient intelligence containing all the information in the universe."

Sure, this definition may not be the same as many or most theists' definition-- but the concepts are what's important-- so let's just try get back to the meaning behind words rather than the words themselves.
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