My interchange with Stefen

Subject: Re: My interchange with Stefen Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:21 pm

Argent wrote:

Speaking of those True Believers, it does seem like most of the people who put themselves through the wringer in terms of doing multiple podcasts with Stef and allowing his advice to have huge impacts on their lives, are still there and not particularly happy (to me -- they would claim otherwise). But I'd like to point out that there are some who have found happiness and have subsequently left FDR (Rod comes to mind).

Rod doesn't post regularly any more but he hasn't left FDR. He took part in a Sunday show last year (FDR 1508 Sunday Show 15 Nov 2009).

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Patience wrote:

Rod doesn't post regularly any more but he hasn't left FDR. He took part in a Sunday show last year (FDR 1508 Sunday Show 15 Nov 2009).

I meant "left" in more of a "stopped feeling a need for heavy involvement with FDR" way than a "stormed out on principle" way, so I think my point still stands. Smile

It would be interesting to hear what he had to say during the show, though.

Subject: Re: My interchange with Stefen Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:46 am

thelastholdout wrote:

Cassandra wrote:

all? You obviously didn't read my post. Nor Deep Purple's. Nor NonEntity's.

Sorry, I generalized.

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Also, I have said before, but not in this thread that I do not think that it is appropriate for people to use diagnostic labels outside the appropriate setting for them. This includes, but is not limited to self appointed people who assume that they "get it" without any qualifications and implementation in clinical practice and to using them on the internet.

That I chose not to further engage with Cynic after calling him out on his source does not mean that I accepted his word as absolute gospel.

Okay, I appreciate that you did not agree with Cynic in his conclusions.

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I don't personally dislike the man, but I do have problems with his ethics. As for him being a jerk to people who question him, well he has done that in the past.

What do you refer to as his "ethics?"

This question could evoke a very long answer. Many of my concerns have already been carefully and rigorously documented by QuestEon, so I refer you to his website.

I will also add that I have been on many libertarian/anarchist forums for years before Molyneux started his. On these forums, the roots to many ideas have been clearly delineated, whether the people agreed with them or not. Molyneux has chosen either not to do this, or to do it selectively so that people new to these concepts have to do their own homework. That is his choice, but personally I find it sloppy.

Also, a lot of young people at FDR are bombarded with new ideas as well as being asked to examine their relationships at a stage in thier lives where they are already undergoing a lot of change. They need time to absorb these ideas fully before being expected to take action. An ethical and qualified psychologist with experience would know better than to encourage someone to make drastic changes while undergoing such an upheaval. In fact s/he would actively discourage it.

Also, regarding some of the well established forums I referred to above; I did not like the way Molyneux and his proxies, without having previous accounts and thus unknown tried to get everyone minding their own business on these forums talking about FDR's problems. This is called spamming and shows a lack of respect for others in the anarchist/libertarian community and their (virtual) property. As if this wasn't bad enough, some of these forums or those associated with them had been previously dissed by Molyneux either in podcasts or on his forum

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I personally don't have anything to do with the two people at Ancaps, nor their work.

Personally, I was the subject of a harassing, unimaginative and childish picture post at FDR just before I chose to leave. Perhaps you could take your own advice about critical thinking.

My conclusions about the activity at FDR are based on my personal experience. If this did happen to you, I do apologize. Whoever did it was wrong to do so, and I hope they were rebuked for it.

However, I am curious as to why they would have done so. What was the nature of your posts on FDR?

I feel like I have just been bitch slapped by an apology

Subject: Re: My interchange with Stefen Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:33 am

QuestEon wrote:

Argent wrote:

It's one of those anti-logical statements that everyone just accepted without question.

I love the word "anti-logical."

Me three.

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Argent wrote:

QuestEon wrote:

I love the word "anti-logical."

Thanks! I like it, too! I think it evokes all the meaning that I'm trying to get across -- namely, that not only is Stefan illogical in a lot of his reasoning, but he sets a really bad example for his listeners by labeling such reasoning as logical. a) It sets the bar low in terms of the rigor they demand from him; b) I'd hate to think that they're going around trying to apply similar reasoning to their own lives.

It made me think of an idea that actually repels logic, maybe like a western zen koan. Molyneux does that to me sometimes.

If logic and anti-logic collided in your brain would it create a wormhole?

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QuestEon wrote:

like a western zen koan. Molyneux does that to me sometimes.

Dude, forget your site, that's gotta sting! Hehe!

(I, personally, love me a good koan every once in a while.)