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jawol(48)

Number of posts: 237 Location: UK Registration date: 2008-11-16
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:12 am | |
| [quote="Cassandra"]^ Sadly, the only option for some people whose lives are being ruined by people who will not change their behaviour is to go no contact.
From my experience of Moly and his teachings changing habits doesn't cut it with him. It is simply 'go', there is no compassion shown to those left behind and he does nothing to improve relationships. Not only that we can see people struggling to eek out a living as potential career's are abandoned. The RTR bullshit is only a cover up. His intended new recruit is all ready entangled in his 'web'. RTR is just a process in the whole charade as he rings up a few more dollars in the till. Perhaps for some, recognising that a change in habit is necessary, it is worthwhile doing so. Hopefully your missing one will return to a better life. Thing is, they need to go back and find out for themselves but Moly doesn't endorse that. |
|  | | Cassandra

Number of posts: 138 Location: Australia Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:57 pm | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | Yep. Point taken. I did NOT defoo, in that I still have contact with other family members, just not my mother. But I still send her birthday presents and mother's day stuff, I just don't engage in contact. She's still my mother and I don't want to 'hurt' her, I just want to protect myself from a relationship which is not beneficial to me.
I've had people tell me that I'm doing a terrible thing because it is hurtful for a mother to lose her son, but they don't seem to consider that I have a side in the conversation as well. Screw 'em. She may have feelings, but then, so do I. It's a two way street. As always. (key word: voluntary, or mutual consent)
- NonE |
NonE, having a friend that has gone through this, I think that I understand and empathise with your position. My friend had a very frustrating time just getting people to believe her and would be subjected to well wishing, but unhelpful comments such as "I know your mother loves you very much."
She also went through a lot of conflicted emotions and did a lot of soul searching. She felt guilty, even though she didn't do anything wrong. People do not understand situations like these because it is not normal for a parent to prey on her offspring and they have not had to chose between their own survival and contact with a parent, something that no child should have to go through. Also, sociopathic behaviour can be so insidious, malignant and perverse that even the targets can find themselves shaking their heads and saying "I can't believe she would sink that low!" Sociopaths are experts at pitting people against each other, posing as victim's in public while making their target look bad.
Last edited by Cassandra on Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:27 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : removal of redundant word) |
|  | | Patience

Number of posts: 594 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:59 pm | |
| Yes, he is abusing the concept for his own purposes, both to continue his mission to destroy families and also to line his own pockets with "voluntary donations" from his followers who believe he has shown them the only way to "personal freedom".
The way you people obsess over that fruitcake makes you look retarded.
Exploiting people's ignorance for personal gain is called 'common sense'. The ones I'd diss on are the ones that believe that nitwit and his ridiculous claims; if you fall for that sort of stuff you deserve to 'lose' everything your stupidity puts forward.
Seriously, people. |
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:35 am | |
| Vichy, It appears to me from your statement above that you are proving the assertions of those who find sociopathy to be repugnant. And it is also apparent to me that you are incapable of comprehending that reasoning. Now as to whether this is a good or bad thing, that is still up for debate or discussion. But let me ask you a question. For those like you and I who are in the long tail of intelligence, I wonder if you cannot perhaps make the calculation that the 'moral' choice is also the most efficient, and therefore the most beneficial to your own cause? First, let me point out what should be obvious to you, and that is that there will almost always be someone more intelligent than you. And so, in that context, you will almost always fall into the situation of, "if you fall for that sort of stuff you deserve to 'lose' everything your stupidity puts forward." Can you agree with my thinking on this? And if you do agree then does this change your perspective on the subject at all or do you simply reply that you, yourself, deserve to have your head bashed in with a wrench, or whatever manifestation of this you might imagine? Next, looking simply from the standpoint of economics, it seems to me that mutual respect must lead to the greatest wealth for all. I've written about that here, World Economics: the Most Simple of Calculations, and if you care to read it I would be curious as to your comments on my reasoning and how it may apply to the subject at hand. Years ago I read a compilation of the works of Henry Hazlitt and the underlying sense I came away with was that his view of economics lead to the inescapable conclusion that morality is logically the most efficient way of increasing wealth. I'm wondering if perhaps that thinking will reveal itself to one who thinks morality is nonsense. - NonE |
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:24 pm | |
| Another interesting article.| Quote: | | After thirty-five years of work, Bob Hare has brought us to the stage where we know what psychopathy is, how much damage psychopaths do, and even how to identify them. But we don't know how to treat them or protect the population from them. The real work is just beginning. Solving the puzzle of the psychopath is an invigorating prospect -- if you're a scientist. Perhaps the rest of us can be forgiven for our impatience to see the whole thing come to an end. |
- NonE |
|  | | Cassandra

Number of posts: 138 Location: Australia Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:31 am | |
| | vichy wrote: | Yes, he is abusing the concept for his own purposes, both to continue his mission to destroy families and also to line his own pockets with "voluntary donations" from his followers who believe he has shown them the only way to "personal freedom".
The way you people obsess over that fruitcake makes you look retarded.
Exploiting people's ignorance for personal gain is called 'common sense'. The ones I'd diss on are the ones that believe that nitwit and his ridiculous claims; if you fall for that sort of stuff you deserve to 'lose' everything your stupidity puts forward.
Seriously, people. |
Can't believe I missed this one. Better late than never. wordjacking is to meaning as modern banking is to capital Enjoy your entropic mud pit. |
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:09 am | |
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|  | | Cassandra

Number of posts: 138 Location: Australia Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:19 am | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | Huh?
- NonE |
to "wordjack" is to distort the meaning of words for personal/ideological reasons, or to deliberately use the same word in a different context. It is a corruption of language. |
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:43 pm | |
| | Cassandra wrote: | | NonEntity wrote: | Huh?
- NonE |
to "wordjack" is to distort the meaning of words for personal/ideological reasons, or to deliberately use the same word in a different context. It is a corruption of language. |
Yes, I got that part.| Quote: | wordjacking is to meaning as modern banking is to capital | It's just the context escapes me with Vichy's comments and all. I'm not sure what you are refering to especially with the "entropic mud pit" and all.
- NonE |
|  | | Cassandra

Number of posts: 138 Location: Australia Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:30 pm | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | | Cassandra wrote: | | NonEntity wrote: | Huh?
- NonE |
to "wordjack" is to distort the meaning of words for personal/ideological reasons, or to deliberately use the same word in a different context. It is a corruption of language. |
Yes, I got that part.| Quote: | wordjacking is to meaning as modern banking is to capital | It's just the context escapes me with Vichy's comments and all. I'm not sure what you are refering to especially with the "entropic mud pit" and all.
- NonE |
Originally, the reference was to abusing knowledge to suit one's own purposes. If everyone does that, then chaos is the end result, hence the reference to the destruction of capital, which affects everyone, not just those who buy into the racket. |
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:12 am | |
| Ah... okay, now I follow your comment. Thanks. And I agree. That is about where we are now with NewSpeak having infected so much of English political discourse. One can no longer* have an intelligent conversation with most people on many topics because there are simply no points of verbal congruence.
- NonE
* Me making the assumption that there was an earlier, perhaps better, time when word meanings were clearer. It's probably always been this way and I'm just a fool#. I wonder if the internet (being the global medium that it is) is bringing more coherence to language overall or not.
# Although, in my defense, I do recall reading that the early years of the U.S. was one of much greater literacy than currently. |
|  | | eye2i2

Number of posts: 753 Age: 59 Location: southeastern north america ;) Registration date: 2008-09-02
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:57 am | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | | That is about where we are now with NewSpeak having infected so much of English political discourse. One can no longer* have an intelligent conversation with most people on many topics because there are simply no points of verbal congruence. |
And yet here We are, passing words back and forth?!? Word count anyone? [wait, are we "passing"?]
Ok, wait: he did include his qualifying word "intelligent".
*whine*whine*kick*squeal*"mine! mine!!" Why don't you quit acting like a little toddler and simply ASK when one chooses to use words-- differently-- from what you prefer?! Or communicate that a continued usage of such words may or will result in you(r) NonParticipation?
Authority complex much? ("author-tie"?) Illusions of agreement, per presumptions, more appealing to you? (bonus question: how can one be sure 'bout that?)
It's arguable that it's as least as likely that it's actually laziness on a reader's part to assume another (must) mean by their words what we want/think they should, no?
Hmpf! Don't They know we've got cool and rad things to instead be spending our time on?! [wait, can one "spend" "time"...?? Do I appeal to Authority (word historians) --or-- ask if we're in agreement?]
Isn't Survivor on?? Ok, granted, that wasn't very "intelligent".
| Quote: | * Me making the assumption that there was an earlier, perhaps better, time when word meanings were clearer. It's probably always been this way and I'm just a fool#. I wonder if the internet (being the global medium that it is) is bringing more coherence to language overall or not.
# Although, in my defense, I do recall reading that the early years of the U.S. was one of much greater literacy than currently. |
Defense duly noted, a quick gander at Webster's 1828 Dictionary doesn't appear to help the argument that words were "better" defined/confined back when imho. Numerous entries for the same entries abound there as well. Then there's the historical matter of more bilingual folks --amongst the aristocratic-- whom it seems we mostly have to build our summations upon-- and that convergence of languages might have made it even more difficult? Perhaps the better historical matter is that back then, when a change of word meaning was done, such could/would/likely result in a duel... (that, and perhaps they didn't care to laugh as much because of the lack of dental hygiene, and so didn't horse around as much as we can?) [wait, "horse" around??]
And Voltaire's attributed admonition is circa 17th century for sum reason, no? "If you wish to discourse with me, first define your terms." My, why would he feel compelled to call for such in such a better day? [and yupp, eye'd have to ask Mr Voltaire if his word 'discourse' means 'communicate'... and if 'terms' means more than 'words'...]
On the contemplating of whether the internet brings more or less value *stop*that's what you mean by "better" and such, no?* to coherence to language communication, I'm leaning towards it opening more folks eyes to the potential for mis-communication that words ("maps") inherently hold. Writing & reading seem to assist in that potential, and we're arguably a couple or three generations from general populations doing much of either, much less having it as the primary/only medium or art form.
Butt who has time for all this defining anyway!?! [/bitchy/whiney/kick'n'squealin'/naner-naner-naner off]  |
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 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:43 am | |
| Someone left the door ajar again!  Sheeeeesh! - NonE |
|  | | Cassandra

Number of posts: 138 Location: Australia Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:59 am | |
| | NonEntity wrote: | Another interesting article.
| Quote: | | After thirty-five years of work, Bob Hare has brought us to the stage where we know what psychopathy is, how much damage psychopaths do, and even how to identify them. But we don't know how to treat them or protect the population from them. The real work is just beginning. Solving the puzzle of the psychopath is an invigorating prospect -- if you're a scientist. Perhaps the rest of us can be forgiven for our impatience to see the whole thing come to an end. |
- NonE |
| Quote: | | Hare's research upset a lot of people. Until the psychopath came into focus, it was possible to believe that bad people were just good people with bad parents or childhood trauma and that, with care, you could talk them back into being good. Hare's research suggested that some people behaved badly even when there had been no early trauma. Moreover, since psychopaths' brains were in fundamental ways different from ours, talking them into being like us might not be easy. Indeed, to this day, no one has found a way to do so |
Here is an example of how dangerous the psychological dogma is that all people are good, they just had a bad childhood or something that could be cured.
| Quote: | | Like everyone who has been suckered by a psychopath -- and Bob Hare includes himself and many of his graduate students (who have been trained to spot them) in that list |
Take note! (Don't be too hasty to blame the victim.)
That article touched on some of the research done on brain activity. This field is developing a lot deeper than the article suggests. Unfortunately, I am too disorganised to make links, but anyone who chooses to look will find a lot of interesting stuff here. Here is one very long article on empathy, so scroll down:
http://www.bpsmedicine.com/content/1/1/22 |
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