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Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:39 am | |
| here| Quote: | Re: Making HUGE life changes, looking for friendly words of wisdom Reply Quote Contact
I would be happy to discuss it with you, although I must admit that I'm anything but an eloquent communicator. Also, I've already submitted my resignation and am scurrying about in all directions trying to tie up any loose ends (or sever them completely). I can set aside a chunk of time soon, but for today, at the moment, I can honestly not say when.
I work at an academic library, which I considered for a long time to be quite fulfilling and a very noble profession. While sitting at a computer most of the time and working with databases, I would listen to podcasts in the background, and increasingly those podcasts were monopolized by yourself. One day, many months ago, I distinctly remember accepting the deep implications of institutional violence that surrounded me. I saw evidence of its corrosive effects in my co-workers and the student body. I felt physically awful, like something sank deep in my torso. That is the first time I have ever been PHYSICALLY hurt by a train of thought. I couldn't shake the feeling, so I am ashamed to say that for a brief period of time, I had to abandon the podcasts. A week or so later I came back, with embarrassingly shameful rationalizations for why I should continue doing what I do. But I was no longer finding satisfaction in my day to day existence. I developed insomnia. I knew why, but I avoided actually acting.
A few weeks ago I started feeling out for a plan. I realized how much I would have to give up (a house, a regular income, many modern conveniences) but compared it to what I would gain (peace of mind, purpose, sleep, the chance of meeting people who didn't find my values contemptible, actually LIVING my values and not being a hypocrite... etc. etc.). The positive list of things was hard to complete, so I figured to hell with it, I'll not sell myself out for so few tokens. I turned in my resignation over a week ago with no other prospects in mind, but with full conviction that I was acting accordingly. The proof is that I'm sleeping well again.
Next Friday I will set up camp outside of my friend's house (with full approval from his girlfriend, of course). I've got a little bit of savings, a nice set of "I'm-competent-and-you-should-hire-me" clothes, and enough resumes to dam a river. Finding a job will be my new full-time job. As I said, I don't think my skills warrant much more than low hourly wage, but I know any manager will see that I am trainable.
If you're curious about any particular point during the span of time before we can chat, let me know and I will do my best to clarify. |
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|  | | Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:43 am | |
| also, setting aside the question of alleged hypocrisy and what not, why not find a new job before quitting your old one? I mean, for frig's sake, it's not a nice economy out there |
|  | | jawol(48)

Number of posts: 237 Location: UK Registration date: 2008-11-16
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:00 am | |
| QuoteNext Friday I will set up camp outside of my friend's house (with full approval from his girlfriend, of course). I've got a little bit of savings, a nice set of "I'm-competent-and-you-should-hire-me" clothes, and enough resumes to dam a river. Finding a job will be my new full-time job. As I said, I don't think my skills warrant much more than low hourly wage, but I know any manager will see that I am trainable.
If you're curious about any particular point during the span of time before we can chat, let me know and I will do my best to clarifyote
Er dude, excuse me but in the UK you have to have a proper address to hold a job. Living in a tent outside my friend's property probably won't cut it. I hope that the same does not apply where he is camping |
|  | | Dylboz

Number of posts: 2159 Registration date: 2007-09-20
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:26 am | |
| There is no further evidence needed to prove that Stefan Molynuex is a reckless man, whose unconscionable exhortations to live HIS values (no, they are not your own, the podcasts are a common cult programming tool, known as 'information overload'), consequences be damned, actually destroys lives and careers. The only upside here is, this guy wont be donating any money to Stef for a while, perhaps never again. _________________ Please check out my blog! Dylboznia |
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 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:29 am | |
| Conrad,
Is there really any need to use blasphemy as a title of a thread? Does it really achieve anything other than disgust those of us for whom that name means something? Maybe you are deliberately provoking Christians on your site but I would hope that's not the case. I thought higher of you than that. |
|  | | Dylboz

Number of posts: 2159 Registration date: 2007-09-20
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:54 am | |
| Jumping Jesus H. Christ on a fucking pogo stick.
Now that's blasphemy. Simply saying "Jesus," or even "Sweet Jesus," as an exclamation is not. Taking the Lord's name in vain does not mean simply to utter (or write) it, but to invoke it as if you were speaking on His behalf, or to swear oaths or make vows deceitfully, invoking God's name to gain another's trust, which you intend to break.
So, save your piety for Sunday School, man. _________________ Please check out my blog! Dylboznia |
|  | | QuestEon

Number of posts: 842 Registration date: 2008-03-25
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:40 pm | |
| There are thousands of Mexicans named "Jesus." I just assumed Conrad was referring to one of them.
(Back on topic--that is one of the saddest FDR posts I've seen and I've seen some pretty sad ones.) |
|  | | Cassandra

Number of posts: 138 Location: Australia Registration date: 2009-07-17
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:44 pm | |
| | CartesianTheist wrote: | Conrad,
Is there really any need to use blasphemy as a title of a thread? Does it really achieve anything other than disgust those of us for whom that name means something? Maybe you are deliberately provoking Christians on your site but I would hope that's not the case. I thought higher of you than that. |
Yeah, my ancestors who were tortured and killed and had their property destroyed in the name of Jesus a few centuries ago might have objected to the blasphemy of this action had they been christian and given justice.
Nowadays, their descendents are just happy to be called "ungodly pagans" and other insults that question their characters and motives by self righteous christians. Beats being tortured. Of course, they have given up any attempt for equal respect by some christians who feel free to say whatever they like about any other beliefs and or values yet scream blue murder whenever anyone says something they don't like about their precious values and beliefs. |
|  | | Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:15 am | |
| In general I do very much try to avoid language that I know will needlessly hurt somebody or will otherwise offend them, and so I have for example substituted more secular swear phrases for those involving religious figures/actions, but of course there is a balance: some phrases I find funny and relatively innocuous and I want to express them, thinking that (in this case) religious people may not particularly like it, but it's not really offensive either. Somebody I know will use the short sentence 'jesus.' often after having expressed or described some baffling, annoying or frustrating situation and I have no idea why or how I find the use of that sentence unfailingly hilarious, the fact that the sentence starts with a lower case letter and ends with a period. I don't know. Same thing with the repeated use of 'Should I do such and such. should I.' (so with lower case and without question mark at the end). I just find it very very funny, have no idea why, and it gets funnier with every new use.
yeah, so for me it's a trade-off between civility and respect on the one hand and comedy-gold on the other, and for me this particular usage is defendable, while other uses, even though they may be funny are not. |
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 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:30 am | |
| I fail to see where it makes any sense at all to stand by quietly while others spout totally unsupported and unsupportable nonsense and push it off as the truth. I've heard the thought that there are two kinds of lies, those of omission and those of commission. It seems to me that remaining silent in the face of the fraudulent use of bullshit used for the purpose of gaining advantage or power is similar in nature to a lie of omission. Just as it is politically incorrect to question his holiness the Obamanator, so it is with challenging christian mythology. It's a duty to challenge such crap. Lies are lies whether they are pretty or not. It does not help the course of human progress to wallow in falsehoods.
- NonE |
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 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:44 am | |
| I'll be pius wherever I please thanks Dylboy! Blasphemy is that and MORE though. Your definition is incomplete. It is ANY misuse of his name.
Well I just think it says a lot about quite a few of you that you have no problem using words which you know will be offensive to certain other people. To then use them again is merely provocation and that won't work. I'm not going to lose my integrity over the likes of you.
And as for your latest attempt to jump into a conversation you didn't need to join NonE I suggest you either put some arguments up for scrutiny or accept the fact that no-one will ever be able to take a word you say seriously. Calling certain knowledge claims to be lies, falsehoods and crap without any justification or reference to what you're talking about is just as good as farting in the wind. Now we all know you're good at that but when it comes to theism I don't think I've seen you bring up one serious argument as yet so there's precisely NOTHING to respond to. Only the chip on your shoulder and that doesn't need philosophy - that needs psychology!! |
|  | | Stewart

Number of posts: 1202 Location: Boston, MA Registration date: 2008-04-02
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:08 am | |
| Cartestian, you've almost entirely dislodged Conrad's original thread. I find that more rude than his possibly-inconsiderate-but-entirely-forgettable use of your diety's name. I mean, if it really bugs you so much when people say "Jesus" as an exclamation, then you probably have a hard time living in this world. I'm more sorry for that, than for the word's pedestrian appearance here.
As for the original post: Yikes.
I wouldn't strictly blame Molyneux for this guy's behavior. After all, I don't think the man has ever said anything like "Go live in a tent, and reject your wordliness!" I'd like to think that Molyneux would counsel this dude to stop being such a twit, but who knows?
I recognize this kind of reaction to philosophical conundrums. It's pretty common, and it's as old as anything. People who find the world disagreeable with their moral considerations, especially their new moral considerations, often express strong desire to utterly abandon the way of life that they find so objectionable. I'm thinking religious ascetics, Thoreau, The Unabomber, etc. |
|  | | Bigus Dickus

Number of posts: 369 Location: Brazil Registration date: 2008-06-05
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:23 am | |
| I still think that JC Hewitt's mental meltdown takes the cake for saddest stuff. |
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 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:06 am | |
| | Stewart wrote: | | Cartestian, you've almost entirely dislodged Conrad's original thread. |
Well then maybe he should have used less inflammatory language.
Maybe where you are people use that as an expression all the time but luckily not where I live we don't. |
|  | | Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: Re: jesus. Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:07 am | |
| | CartesianTheist wrote: | I'll be pius wherever I please thanks Dylboy! Blasphemy is that and MORE though. Your definition is incomplete. It is ANY misuse of his name.
Well I just think it says a lot about quite a few of you that you have no problem using words which you know will be offensive to certain other people. To then use them again is merely provocation and that won't work. I'm not going to lose my integrity over the likes of you.
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I understand that, but do you also understand where I'm coming from? re: the balance thing |
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