They're living proof that RTR makes you creepy, especially if you extrapolate your every feeling to be a product of your allegedly defunct childhood. I've never seen a place where people can extract such complicated feelings from such completely trivial shit.

A father squirts himself in the face with a water bottle - let's talk about why it does/doesn't make us uncomfortable for 10 posts.

UPB doesn't make sense to me - let's talk about how your abusive parents made UPB not make sense to you.

I was watching "The Lion King" and the part where Mufasa dies saving his son makes me sad. I think this must be because of my relationship with my own parents. Does anyone think these could be connected?


Can't stand it. The pathetic state of the forums were the reason I wasn't sucked into the FDR "community."

Welcome to limi Paul. Good to have you here. Judging by your post, you will find that you have much in common with many members here.

nelle

thanks. I think of Stefan Molyneux more as a person misled by a couple of crazy ideas than an evil cult leader, though. In contrast to some of the people here.

Right. For example, I think he truly believes people will be happier when they deFOO from their families, and isn't just promoting the idea to get donations. But the shady tactics he uses to get people to deFOO found in his quasi-therapy sessions are pretty much inexcusable.

I ponder as to what 'risk assessments' were made prior to giving therapy and were the 'patients' warned of such risks, long term side effects etc and was the therapy properly documented as to it's intent. Seems to be very dangerous to me.
As I have said in a previous post somewhere, you would not take a drug from a stranger without wanting proof of it's content and effects. The same must surely apply to therapy.

Oh and welcome to Limi PaulB.

that was Zebra btw, not Conrad

I figured. You don't write the same way. Mr C does not use asterisks. Plus, his capitalization of proper nouns is abysmal. ;-)

I was talking to a real life cult expert last night. He put forth the idea of a pseudo personality. I had not heard it before. He said the FDR members, like all cult like groups have well developed pseudo personalities. The members are all striving to conform to the group ideal of who they should be. They can't possibly measure up with their real personalities because their real personalities have flaws. So they develop these pseudo personalites. In these made up personalities only have the traits they want to have.

We all know the obvious example. That is: NOT associating with FDR infidels. Another simpler example. An avid home town sports fan decides he no longer likes the local team. "Why should I root for a bunch of people I don't even know." That is consistent with the pseudo personality but is totally inconsistent with the original or real personality. The expert pointed out that there is significant ambivalence because they do still have the original personality. It is a battle for them to keep the original in check. They need to constantly reaffirm that that the pseudo personality is in place. This is why they are in a constant state of mind numbing self analysis.

Hi Arthur! :-)

What you are talking about reminds me of what is called in fdr the "true self" and the "false self". In fdr the "true self" is the fdr pseudo personality - assimilation into the traits that moly deems desirable. That is, the community member's "false self" (their real personality that they came to fdr with) is buried and put aside, in favor of assimilation into the community and a putting on of this new "true self". I used to joke and call it "assimilating into the molyneux borg" (like the old "Star Trek" "Borg"). The sad thing is, it is no joke.

OK Nelle,

I have been leaning towards the Moly is a dysfunctional do gooder who is eating his own spoiled dog food and liking the taste.

Now that I see your post and see that Moly consciously maneauvers people to develop the pseudo personality, I am thinking he might be a consciously manipulative, dark side, pure evil kind of a guy.