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QuestEon

Number of posts: 842 Registration date: 2008-03-25
 | Subject: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:00 am | |
| Do you guys know this fellow, SisyphusRedeemed? Maybe you've known about him for a while and I'm just late to the party. Sorry about that. He's unleashed a blistering, but credible (I think) analysis of Molyneux on YouTube called The Damnation of Philosophy. Some critics of the video suggest SR is a little overboard, since Molyneux "never claimed" to be the salvation of philosophy. (But I believe his claims certainly add up to that.) The video also appears to add to my list of borrowed, renamed, and rebranded Molyneux concepts, starting with the phrase "Self-detonating argument." I'd be interested in your thoughts, though. |
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mgeduld
Number of posts: 88 Registration date: 2010-08-27
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:13 am | |
| Just a quick note to say that, earlier today, I learned about this video (from a thread on FDR! http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/27337/211778.aspx#211778 ), watched it, and got curious about the guy's other videos. I've not watched about five of them, and I've really enjoyed them. He speaks on various philosophical issues. What's neat is that many of his videos are in response to videos by other people, and he always links to them. So through his videos, I'm learning about a whole network of philosophy videos on YouTube. |
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Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:40 am | |
| this guy writes a very helpful summary of the points the guy makes in his video btw. |
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QuestEon

Number of posts: 842 Registration date: 2008-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:40 pm | |
| | mgeduld wrote: | Just a quick note to say that, earlier today, I learned about this video (from a thread on FDR! http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/27337/211778.aspx#211778 ), watched it, and got curious about the guy's other videos. I've not watched about five of them, and I've really enjoyed them. He speaks on various philosophical issues.
What's neat is that many of his videos are in response to videos by other people, and he always links to them. So through his videos, I'm learning about a whole network of philosophy videos on YouTube. |
I was pleasantly surprised by it, too. There's zero chance of Molyneux responding to him, I think. SR projects an attitude of having a knowledge of philosophy superior to Molyneux's, which is something Molyneux cannot abide. |
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Patience

Number of posts: 594 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:50 pm | |
| | metric wrote: | | I appreciate that it's pretty much inevitable that certain things will be taken the wrong way, when a person puts out as much content as you do (and fine content it is). But I would think you'd want to be extra-double careful on what you convey in this particular area, given what some people have accused you of in the past. |
Good advice, but Molyneux will not be taking it.
| Stefan Molyneux wrote: | | I would never imagine that being a wise standard by which to guide my arguments. |
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Argent

Number of posts: 514 Registration date: 2010-01-28
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:39 pm | |
| It amuses me that all his supporters are finding to say here is that this guy is "condescending" and thus shouldn't be taken seriously. How many times has Stefan been condescending in his responses to others? (I haven't watched the video yet so can't comment on its contents.)
Stefan of course doesn't have to listen to or respond to this guy. But this guy also has no obligation to be curious about Stefan's emotions, even to garner a response from Stefan, as at least one person has suggested. I think this is one way in which Stefan misuses/confuses people about the principles behind RTR. It is only necessary (or even helpful, really) to inquire about someone's emotions if you are in an emotional relationship with them. It would not help two philosophers find "objective truth" (though it might help them identify psychological issues hindering them from seeing that truth.) But exploration of emotions only works in the context of a trusting, established relationship. Otherwise, it muddies things at best, and leaves one or both people vulnerable to manipulation at worst.
(Side note: I think this is something that creates a weird dynamic at FDR. The fact that people are expected to relate to strangers the way they would close friends or lovers. This just isn't how the world works -- for good reason, I think. Like I said above, it can leave you vulnerable to manipulation by people who don't truly care about you. Because everyone is forced to act friendly, warning signs that would typically prevent them from oversharing are erased, and the admittedly still sick sides of people there are left to prey on them. Classic case-in-point, people with serious hatred for their parents encouraging those who seem more like normal teens with normal parent issues to develop hatred towards their parents as well.) |
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Patience

Number of posts: 594 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:03 am | |
| | Stefan Molyneux wrote: | | When I was contemplating abandoning my career in order to pursue philosophy full time, I made a vow to myself, that I was only going to make the leap and take the risk if I could genuinely advance the discipline in some significant ways. I was so sick of seeing philosophy getting its ass kicked all up and down the beach that I vowed either to bulk it up and teach it to fight or walk away for ever. |
That's not quite how he put it when he lost his job left his full time job and decided to go full time with FDR instead of trying to get another job in IT. In his podcast FDR 628 The Die Is Cast, he said "philosophy is desperately needed" and "it desperately needs to be done and nobody else can do it" and "the world needs truth and I'm the one to do it" and "there's nobody else out there having these conversations at this level and this depth" and "it has to be done and I'm the only one who can do it" and "I can't wait for that first day when somebody is wearing a Freedomain Radio t-shirt and somebody comes up and says 'Hi, BCF' ".
Fascinating. So, it is about philosophy, ego or just marketing opportunities? You pays your money and you takes your choice.
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Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:10 am | |
| | Patience wrote: | | Stefan Molyneux wrote: | | When I was contemplating abandoning my career in order to pursue philosophy full time, I made a vow to myself, that I was only going to make the leap and take the risk if I could genuinely advance the discipline in some significant ways. I was so sick of seeing philosophy getting its ass kicked all up and down the beach that I vowed either to bulk it up and teach it to fight or walk away for ever. |
That's not quite how he put it when he lost his job |
he quit his job, no? |
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Patience

Number of posts: 594 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:28 am | |
| | Stefan Molyneux wrote: | | It looks like the die has been cast... I had a chat with my boss yesterday and we sort of frankly discussed how I'm not really enjoying this job...I'm a technologist...I thought it was marketing...but it's just endless reams of market analysis... there's going to be some adjustments, let's just say, and negotiations to go part time... this is not going to be something I'm going to backfill by looking for another job. |
Did he jump or was he pushed? |
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Conrad

Number of posts: 5647 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Registration date: 2007-07-21
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:31 am | |
| ah, I see. it's a bit ambiguous |
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Patience

Number of posts: 594 Location: England Registration date: 2008-08-26
 | Subject: Re: Stefan Molyneux is the salvation of philosophy Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:45 am | |
| Agreed, it is ambiguous. I've reworded my post. |
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