Youtube user Neurosoup

Subject: Youtube user Neurosoup Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:50 pm

Definitely check out her vids:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NeuroSoup

Like these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldu6yDVNYzA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3agIy5L4JMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11FW8XRWRxs

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Pretty interesting. Not sure if I would applaud to advocacy of such hard drugs, this girl is talking about; but someone must be talking about them, it's better than having no information at all. There's a shitloads of drugs in schools right now, our children will be trying them we want it or no, so better be prepared.

It looks like she has a pretty strong background in chemistry, it was quite shocking to hear that drugs like LSD and ecstacy are simply repackaged by pharmaceuticals, but knowing what I know about governments and how they work, it doesn't surprise me.

I have had a feeling that although she says she's not on hallucinogens anymore, she still doesn't have a good grip on reality. Her recipies for replacing drugs is to use a different illusion (meditate, pray, talk to your priest, get closer to the ground), which reminds me "why, oh why haven't I taken a blue pill!!!"

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galets wrote:

...hear that drugs like LSD and ecstacy are simply repackaged by pharmaceuticals

Pardon, but what is that supposed to mean?

- NonE

Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:17 pm

galets wrote:

I have had a feeling that although she says she's not on hallucinogens anymore, she still doesn't have a good grip on reality. Her recipies for replacing drugs is to use a different illusion (meditate, pray, talk to your priest, get closer to the ground), which reminds me "why, oh why haven't I taken a blue pill!!!"

Do you know what meditation is?

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NonEntity wrote:

galets wrote:

...hear that drugs like LSD and ecstacy are simply repackaged by pharmaceuticals

Pardon, but what is that supposed to mean?

- NonE

she claims in the 1st video that many illegal drugs are given different names and sold by pharamaceuticals as a prescription drugs

Nielsio wrote:

galets wrote:

I have had a feeling that although she says she's not on hallucinogens anymore, she still doesn't have a good grip on reality. Her recipies for replacing drugs is to use a different illusion (meditate, pray, talk to your priest, get closer to the ground), which reminds me "why, oh why haven't I taken a blue pill!!!"

Do you know what meditation is?

Meditation describes a state of concentrated attention on some object of thought or awareness. It usually involves turning the attention inward to a single point of reference. Meditation is often recognized as a component of eastern religions, where it has been practiced for over 5,000 years. Different meditative disciplines encompass a wide range of spiritual and/or psychophysical practices which can emphasize development of either a high degree of mental concentration, or the apparent converse, mental quiescence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation , why? This word's being used in variety of meanings, not all of them have spiritual or religious context, so if you don't like me picking on it, I can let it go. I'm pretty sure the girl meant specifically spiritual meaning of this word.

Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:12 pm

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

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Nielsio wrote:

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

As I said, "meditation" is a word with a pretty wide definition, so you can take it any way you like (unless we agree on definition, of course). As for the psychedelic drugs - no, didn't have a chance to.

At this point I'd really like to hear what's on your mind - there's obviously something that touched you in my post. Was it that I implied that meditation is out of reality?

Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:28 pm

galets wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

As I said, "meditation" is a word with a pretty wide definition

It's not. Meditation is a practise that leads to the unraveling of the ego.

Calling meditation an illusion (as you did) is either a misunderstanding of what meditation is or it is a projection.

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Nielsio wrote:

galets wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

As I said, "meditation" is a word with a pretty wide definition

It's not. Meditation is a practise that leads to the unraveling of the ego.

Calling meditation an illusion (as you did) is either a misunderstanding of what meditation is or it is a projection.

It is still a pretty wide definition. Is psychotherapy a meditation?

When I called meditation an illusion, I was talking about the altered state of mind. This state is obviously real in a sense that a person might have visions, hear stuff, feel like he can fly or do anything else. This state is illusion in a sense that in this state you see or do stuff which is not real (such as: flying, seeing events, changing things, all while sitting on the couch). The null-hypothesis for this statement would be if you do something tangible while in this state, for example to open a book without touching it. Or, let me write a number, hide it in a box and then guess what I wrote by meditating. If this is something you feel like demonstrating me, I'll be happy to bring my camera, film you doing it, and tell the world I was awfully wrong.

Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:25 am

Nielsio wrote:

galets wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

As I said, "meditation" is a word with a pretty wide definition

It's not. Meditation is a practise that leads to the unraveling of the ego.

Calling meditation an illusion (as you did) is either a misunderstanding of what meditation is or it is a projection.

can you explain what you mean by saying that it may be a projection?

Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:58 am

Conrad wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

galets wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

As I said, "meditation" is a word with a pretty wide definition

It's not. Meditation is a practise that leads to the unraveling of the ego.

Calling meditation an illusion (as you did) is either a misunderstanding of what meditation is or it is a projection.

can you explain what you mean by saying that it may be a projection?

Good question. I'll respond tonight after sports.

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Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:42 pm

Conrad wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

galets wrote:

Nielsio wrote:

I take it you've never meditated.

Have you ever used psychedelic drugs?

As I said, "meditation" is a word with a pretty wide definition

It's not. Meditation is a practise that leads to the unraveling of the ego.

Calling meditation an illusion (as you did) is either a misunderstanding of what meditation is or it is a projection.

can you explain what you mean by saying that it may be a projection?

The illusion is what most people believe in. Meditation and drugs allow you to see how those beliefs are mere forms of game-playing and foolish. The reality is that it's just a ride. So it then becomes about the experience.

But people identify with their games. So when you suggest that it's just a ride they will give you the one argument that is the most striking to *them*: it's an illusion.

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Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:22 pm

I don't know people who thought they could fly while meditating. I will tell you where I have seen a difference. After meditating people get less defensive and more open to questions. I have found that after meditating I can read a dense book on a day when everything is going wrong in a crowded noisy room. I never have a time when I read a sentence over and over and find I drifted into another thought.
Sometimes you think, "He's being an ass, I hate him." Its impossible to hear arguments or debate rationally. After meditation I don't dwell on those ego issues and can listen and respond to what's actually going on because I have cleared my emotional impluses away.
To me, that is what meditation is all about. It is a way to cleanse your mind of all the garbage that is lingering there. Focus on one thing and all the other non-essential things will quit echoing around your cranium because you are forced to quit lending to their voice. Humans indulge this junk-thought like we indulge in candy.

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Okay folks... I would like to rollback a little bit. As I already mentioned, there's more than one definition of what meditation is. What I hear is:

a) Everything we deem real life is illusion, meditation is a real life.

My comment 1: is there a way to test what is what? if there's no way to test our discussion loses any meaning. Besides, why are you using illusional forum to post about your real experiences?

b) Meditation is a technique to handle emotions

My comment 2: if this is a definition, I have no problem with that. I may be misinterpreting what Neurosoup says, but I have an impression that she means that her experiences under psychidelic drugs were real and similar level of "reality" can be achieved with meditation. What makes me think so is that she couples meditation with praying, getting "closer to earth", etc, which is clearly a call to live an illusion.

Subject: Re: Youtube user Neurosoup Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:42 am

Phlogiston wrote:

I don't know people who thought they could fly while meditating. I will tell you where I have seen a difference. After meditating people get less defensive and more open to questions. I have found that after meditating I can read a dense book on a day when everything is going wrong in a crowded noisy room. I never have a time when I read a sentence over and over and find I drifted into another thought.
Sometimes you think, "He's being an ass, I hate him." Its impossible to hear arguments or debate rationally. After meditation I don't dwell on those ego issues and can listen and respond to what's actually going on because I have cleared my emotional impluses away.
To me, that is what meditation is all about. It is a way to cleanse your mind of all the garbage that is lingering there. Focus on one thing and all the other non-essential things will quit echoing around your cranium because you are forced to quit lending to their voice. Humans indulge this junk-thought like we indulge in candy.

I tremendously like these descriptions of meditation and its benefits: that it's about cleansing and concentrating with real-life results.

I have no experience with meditation though, but this description makes it very appealing

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