Kevin Carson on the Iron fist behind the invisible hand

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http://mutualist.org/id4.html

MUTUALIST PROPAGANDA!!!

more Kevin Carson here: mutualist.blogspot.com

Interesting. Looking and seeing.

is there a shorter version available? it sounds interesting and subversive, but it's too long!

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I'm pretty sure there is not

There's a really nice lookin' PDF though: http://agorism.info/_media/iron_fist_invisible_hand.pdf

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'Goodday salesman. I like these pants but they are 3 sizes too big, do you have them smaller?'

'No, but I do have them in green'

'wtf...?'

(this joke presupposes that the pdf is a long file as well. I get an error message when trying to open it so I don't know if that is the case)

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Conrad wrote:

I get an error message when trying to open it so I don't know if that is the case

NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS!

But yeah its the same length. I thought the sleeker presentation would be easier to read so you'd zip right through it and there'd be this nice illusion that you had just read a more compact version.

Normaltim, the tag line of Liberating Minds is 'breaking FREE from illusions', so there you mothatfokkin' go...

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no it isn't

yes it is

Number of posts: 148 Registration date: 2007-10-24

Interesting. Some good state-bashing there. This bit seems highly questionable though:

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With free banking, interest upon bonds of all kinds and dividends upon stock would fall to the minimum bank interest charge. The so-called rent of houses... would fall to the cost of maintenance and replacement.

Why won't there be some higher-risk investments that will pay a greater return? And renting land costs money cause land's really useful and there's a finite amount of it.

Would it be wrong to define mutualists as anarcho-capitalists? If they're not going to use force to stop people from charging too much interest, their opinion of what would or should happen in a free market isn't that important, is it?

Number of posts: 139 Registration date: 2008-01-24

George Reisman smacked the crap out Mutualism and Kevin Carson here: http://georgereisman.com/blog/2006/06/mutualism-philosophy-for-thieves.html

However, I just printed up this document (Iront Fist...) myself last night after having it bookmarked for several weeks now, just to see if I can understand the mutualist position a bit better than I do now.

Number of posts: 5 Registration date: 2008-02-23

Though I'm not a mutualist, George Reisman's criticism is moronic. I'm sure that mutualists oppose the use of coercion to forcibly kick people off their land. Since the force itself was illegitimate, the resulting possession is illegitimate as well.

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George Reisman can be quite short through the corner (literal translation of Dutch expression that basically means something like: taking big steps but thereby ignoring things that shouldnt be ignored)

that said, I still at some point would like to read up on the mutualist position and I have no idea who is right in this debate. just havenot much time now

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Conrad wrote:

George Reisman can be quite short through the corner (literal translation of Dutch expression that basically means something like: taking big steps but thereby ignoring things that shouldnt be ignored)

Excellent expression! Thanks for sharing it.

I'm jumping into the middle of this discussion filled with my usual level of ignorance and simply want to throw this wrench into the gears: I find the rent on the house different from the rent on the land. You built the house (someone did, at any rate). The land just "is," and it seems to me that to claim rent on something that you have not built and are also not using for some purpose of your own is problematical. I know this is highly controversial, and there are a zillion good arguments AGAINST my decree, but still I am currently leaning in that direction with my sense of "rights" and "property."

Now if you've improved the land by building dikes to make it land instead of ocean, or something like that, well, that is different, of course. (Or dykes to make it sexually preferable or whatever...)

- NonE

Number of posts: 139 Registration date: 2008-01-24

This post of Reisman's is kind of from the middle of a series of posts related to this topic by him and Carson, but I suggest reading the post as well as the 12 pages of commentary (much of it Carson and people responding to Carson) for some good reading on this entire debate: http://blog.mises.org/archives/005219.asp

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