This time, it's the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe. Seventeen pages and counting, plus a few threads on the FDR boards!

ETA: And they've apparently found this site. They've referenced the "Ten Stef Debate Tactics" post. HI GUYS! Enjoy your stay

It's interesting, the proponents of the state just wont leave those of us alone who wish not to have a state. I want to let everyone freely associate, so if they want to live under a state, they can enjoy all of the benefits and liabilities that accrue to those who live like that, and we can enjoy full liberty and autonomy and bear the economic costs (should there be any) associated with the arrangement.

The total inability to imagine a world without police, even though they are about a century and a half old, as the modern concept goes, is obviously a huge stumbling block, which is for me, completely beyond my ability to comprehend. I hate the police, as an idea. I don't want them around at all. I don't want to ever see one of their cars or talk to one of their officers again. If I need more security than my dogs and my guns can afford me, I'm living in the wrong community.

My conversations with my friend (Matt) the ex-Marine and student of eastern philosophy, spiritualism and martial arts has been very educational lately. His perspective is unique, and yet, we agree on so much. He knows full well I despise the state and disdain his mission, as well as the organization he served and the unfortunate fact that he ostensibly represented me, and yet, he bears me no ill will.

Anyway, I'll talk about that some more elsewhere, but the parts of that thread I read prompted this response. It reminds me of the time I was goaded into saying "screw the fucking kid!" after being interrogated for 45 minutes about how a stateless society would handle orphans, when "charity" wasn't good enough, and ever more absurd conjectures were postulated to the point I screamed in exasperation, and that was enough to discredit, for all time, the idea of 'anarchy,' in their minds.

I read the first 3 pages and then the last 3. Yeah they see here as ex-culters and crazies. Its that the whole thing can't be taken in a thread. Even we debate and have questions.

Its all good if its thought of I think. If people can't ever think outside a government then it won't happen anyway. It is truely pointless by empirical evidence. Undesrstanding that evidence is the only way to change things where the evidence supports a world without coersion.

I am in favor of the death penalty, but only when meted out on the spot by the prospective victim. A .357 in your pocket is the appropriate tool for the job. Someone attacks you, tries to stick you up or rape your wife, 'adjudicate' him. Seems like a few headlines like that, and the thieves would move on to the next town.

Q, I bear no responsibility whatever for what Nexalacer did. That wasn't what I was talking about at all, and I'm kind of baffled that you interpreted it that way. I wasn't talking about the interaction online, I was referring to the content of the arguments. I haven't posted on their forum, and I wont. I'm glad to talk to those who came here, but they seem to think that they are also entitled to hire goons to keep me in line IRL (and make me pay for it, too!), that's the unpleasant fact that prompted my post above.

As for Bob's last point, I think it is really funny. Talk about missing the point. I don't want to get all those people to get together with me and work for anything or engage in any violence. Why would I? I'd be a hypocrite. No, I just want them to leave me alone. Let me and my fellow anarchists occupy some space and live as we see fit unmolested. No more tax collectors or cops or soldiers where they are not wanted. That is the full extent of the "situation" I propose, and you clearly don't get what we're about at all. I don't fucking care how they deal with situation X, if they feel so strongly that situation X be dealt with, I'm sure they can figure something out. All I want is for them to let me address situation X (or not) as I see fit and without coercion, and to leave me out of their solution to X if I want no part of it.

All government money is the product of force, or fraud. Taxes are force, inflation is fraud. The fact that violence is required to keep people involved in a system they can plainly see is stacked against them and benefits only the elite should be enough to discredit statism in anyone's eyes. I mean, if all you've got is a few objections or issues you don't fully understand or think might remain problematic in the absence of the state, and are therefore willing to defend the status quo and its myriad injustices, abuses and more, well... where are your priorities.