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SteveL



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PostSubject: Bias revealed during sporting events   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:28 am

Most people think they are fair-minded and unbiased--including me. (Well, that is a complicated matter: I am now aware, in retrospect, that when I was a anti-Soviet/pro-West during the Cold War, I turned a blind eye to various U.S. dirty tricks.) I think this is necessarily true, for, to paraphrase Plato, we do what we think is good--by definition, perhaps--and to admit bias is to know that one is deviating from the good.

Whenever I watch a sporting event (NHL, MLB, etc.), it's always the other team that has done something outrageous, and my team is always the victim. Example: Brett Hull violating Hasek's crease and costing the Sabres the Stanley Cup. But, of course, it is improbable that the teams I happen to cheer for are morally superior, year after year. Clearly, I am interpreting events according to my favoritism. This is quite troubling, because I can't see how it happens. I honestly can't recall when my team has been at fault. (But, armed with this insight, I will be paying closer attention the next time I see a game.)

Other examples: in any anecdote, the storyteller is always in the right. Here we can tentatively conclude either that people are silent about incidents for which they are to blame, or that they genuinely fool themselves into believing themselves innocent.

But I am interested in the sporting bias, because it seems to be straightforward, unvarnished, and unmediated.
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PostSubject: Re: Bias revealed during sporting events   Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:48 pm

SteveL wrote:

Other examples: in any anecdote, the storyteller is always in the right. Here we can tentatively conclude either that people are silent about incidents for which they are to blame, or that they genuinely fool themselves into believing themselves innocent.


Maybe its a cultural thing. There are plenty of stories in which the storyteller isn't right. In fact, any story of any value whatsoever involves the storyteller having been wrong. Well, 'in fact' is a little strong, but its my hypothesis. All the rest are about something else in which there is little to be gained but social bonding against the truth of experience.

I don't remember if it was Freud or Jung who said: "All decisions are denials". When we have ambivalence, then choose something, we deny the other choice whether or not the ambivalence is resolved. So the ambivalence is buried by the choice. I do think that stories in which the teller is 'in the right' are often of this nature. Many people, much of the time, like to turn to loyalty (putting cohesion above ambivalence) or other social mechanisms in order to complete this denial of the 'path not chosen'.

On the other hand, since you bring up the notion of 'blame', I'd suggest that the major choices for stories that are not about the teller being 'in the right' might also not be about blame. Damn, that didn't come out right. What I mean to say is that it is a false dichotomy for a story to be about 'victory' or 'blame'. The dichotomy is a choice to bury the myriad other kinds of experience in which such notions do not play a major role.

Even in sports.

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PostSubject: Re: Bias revealed during sporting events   Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:23 pm

I love the movie Rashoman which is the story of a murder told by four different perspectives. Always, the story teller is in the right. Kurosawa's point was all about the ego.

Hero delves into this to but not the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Bias revealed during sporting events   Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:43 am

with football games (or other sports for that matter) it is interesting how perception and belief are so intertwined, inseparable: when the same situation happens, say one in which it is not immediately clear whether there was a foul or not, if the supposed foul was made by the opposing team then I literally *see* it as a foul, jump up and exclaim 'That's a goddamn penalty kick an a yellow card, ref!' whereas if the supposed foul was made by 'my' team, I literally *see* it as whining by the other player, as nothing happened, etc.

this is not a conscious *interpretation* after perception, but is immediate in perception itself

(hey, I once wrote an unfinshed thesis about this! perception and cogntion I mean)
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