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PostSubject: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:58 am

A memory that has stuck around in my head for a long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TcSyUIDAso
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:53 pm

I remember when JC talks about the hut. It struck me as quite brutal. JC might have been glossy eyed talking about it as he says the sublime strikes people as well as the majestic(? can't think of the word). I don't think he condoned it but he didn't condemn it either. His point is in understanding what it is these people are getting out of it.

Whatever they get it seems there has to be better ways to get it. There was a show on the travel channel about hunter/gatherers in Papau New Guinea where the next tribe accused a man of whitchcraft so they gave him to them to be slaughtered. Its better than all out war though. Obviously from a culture with a large scientific tradition this seems silly. Yet many still believe in magic as well as ghosts, let alone a god. Today almost everyone in Jo-burg South Africa still believe in magic and thats a pretty modern metropolis.
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:20 pm

Don't the majority of people in the USA also believe in magic? Or as most of them say "miracles"?
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:29 pm

Which is the magic of re-naming?!
the craft of word smiths/legislators/social engineers/"priests"
Superstition becomes "Faith". Robbery becomes "taxation". Fantasia becomes "belief".
From my circle of USAmericans, yupp, a very superstitious bunch. The largest religion in The States isn't one of the Big 3, rather it is Statism, with legislation being it's Holy Book, legislators the High Priests.
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:45 pm

I would say almost all humans believe in magic as miracles or as eye2i2 says, and most probabley more than one. That is why those huts being caved in on young couples makes sense sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:50 am

** I left off The U.Statist Religions "Stone Tablets" ie Ten Commandments: The CONstitution & The Bill Of Rights **
The Supreme Law Of The Land
(and all the anointed ones/priests judges wear robes and sit in high places, etc)
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:52 am

hey Blackacidlizzard,

I hope you're not writing this from an Afghani or Iraqi internet cafe? (how did it go with the possible redeployment?)
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:50 am

They probably would have taken more steps to contact me if my name had been drawn, haven't heard anything beyond the two phone calls I ignored.

Wouldn't be in the middle east in any case - a jail cell or in a stand off with the state thugs if it came to it.

Current place of residence is Texas... Hoping my ecenomic situation holds, I'm enjoying sleepng in a place that can't be towed away by the cops.
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:53 am

all the best to you, blackacidlizzard, in your courageous & honorable stand
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:09 am

Heh, one which it appears I'll never be called on. Smile

Still, a bit more risky than deciding that I'll never submit to Martian rule, I suppose.. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:07 am

After I read an article in National Review (or was it New Republic?) critical of Campbell, I dismissed him as a charlatan. This was in the '80s and I no longer remember the author's reasoning.

Looks like I should give Campbell another try.
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:13 am

blackacidlizzard wrote:
They probably would have taken more steps to contact me if my name had been drawn, haven't heard anything beyond the two phone calls I ignored.

Wouldn't be in the middle east in any case - a jail cell or in a stand off with the state thugs if it came to it.

Current place of residence is Texas... Hoping my ecenomic situation holds, I'm enjoying sleepng in a place that can't be towed away by the cops.

ah, very good. well done!
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PostSubject: Re: Joseph Campbell's darkness   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:42 am

SteveL wrote:
After I read an article in National Review (or was it New Republic?) critical of Campbell, I dismissed him as a charlatan. This was in the '80s and I no longer remember the author's reasoning.

Looks like I should give Campbell another try.


You got me looking up some critic stuff on him. Interestingly enough I found this critic passage which gets to what was discussed here about how the myhem of myth permeates our societies.

Campbell's morality is so fuzzy at times that he fails to make any distinction whatsoever between the animal sacrifices of the Bible and the human sacrifices of pagan societies. In fact, he often reports glowingly on the horrible religious practices of such pagans. At one point, he even compares a horrible cannibal sacrifice of a young man and a young woman in a primitive tribe from New Guinea with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and the Eucharist! Adding insult to injury, he ignores the idea of Jesus Christ dying for our sins and changes it into some kind of mystical at-one-ment where people and God the Father become One.

This doesn't mean JC endorses any method only that he sees its power on the human psyche.

At one point in the PBS interviews, for example, he ridicules the Judeo-Christian belief in a bodily resurrection by calling it "a clown act, really." He then says that immortality should instead be seen as a mystical identification with the eternal things in our present lives.

The guy makes some valid points against JC but its mostly a funny Xtian attack. Not sure much else pertains to this particular discussion.
http://logosresourcepages.org/FalseTeachings/campbell.htm
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